LOU DOBBS Just Did It Again! (METH Coming Across The MEXICAN Border)

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hey Lou! look to MIDDLE 'MURICA for your METH epidemic rather than Mexico you racist jerk!

more CNN disinformation folks

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Independence, MO was the meth capital of the country in the 90s. ;)

They killed the pot in Mexico and South America so the drug of choice became coke, easier to conceal, hard to detect. Now coke is getting harder and harder to get because of Homeland Insecurity and way too expensive. And why do we spend BILLIONS every year and never even win a skirmish in the drug war?


Where does that door open to?

I knew several people who quit smoking pot because they were so freaked out by paraquat. I was a daily smoker then and I never had any paraquat laced marijuana. LOL

The only lasting effect that whole paraquat paranoia had was to cause folks to learn to grow really good homegrown reefer.

About how long ago did the northern CA primo pot become widely available? hmm

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and more recently

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Both are about corruption found in the very places that should be spearheading the "war on drugs."

Minuteman Lou.

To those who keep hailing Lou Dobbs as some sort of bizarre "working class hero," just a few reminders:

• Lou Dobbs was one of the most conservative anchors at CNN. He is a registered Republican, as he himself mentioned
  
  
• Lou Dobbs has been an ardent supporter of Bush and his policies until a year ago or so. His CNN business show was a platform for praising TAX CUTS and CUTTING DOWN SOCIAL SERVICES. It was quite revolting, particularly between 2000 and 2004.
  
  
• Something clicked with Lou Dobbs between 2004 and 2005, and he went nuts about immigration. Suddenly his show became a one-issue daily rant against an alleged "Mexican invasion."
  
  
• He only started defending the unions and the working class when it became convenient to Lou "Tax cuts for the rich" Dobbs. He only claims to defend these in opposition to illegal immigrants.

Anything that now Lou Dobbs says rings hollow and false, and largely motivated by his xenophobic obsession with Mexicans.

Let me make it clear: Lou Dobbs is no "working class hero," rather the opposite. beware.

When you hear a better argument you change your opinion. That is what happened to Lou Dobbs.
I remember Lou when I disagreed with him. I remember Lou Dobbs "money line". I have been there done that. I remember flipping him the bird and saying bullshit when he was cutting down the Big Dog. People change.

"illelligent people"?

Thats my guess.

he is against. If they aren't white, Lou is against them. But of course in "tha name of tha middle class!"

The stuff we make here rocks!

I watched a Frontline documentary this week, and by the end of it, the bottom line was that the critical ingredient was coming mostly from Mexico.

Prelude, Seconal, Quaalude, Mandrax, etc. If it is popular enough in the States, it will eventually have a Mexican source.

and then brought across the border into the US. Correct.

Mexico has them available by the truckload where as here in the states, you have to present an ID to purchase one bottle. If you purchase more, then you're scrutinized. I read a news article that an entire warehouse of pseudoephedrine was found in Mexico City and guess what; it was all invoiced to a private citizen who did not own a pharmacy.

Does he have his head permanently up his ass? Everyone knows that most of the meth in this country comes from rural America! What an idiot!

Ever since the DEA has put ephedrine and pseudoephedrine behind the counter, it's impossible to get in quantity.

There are only (I think) 6 companies in the world who manufacture the raw chemical, most are in India, and the DEA has been working with them to regulate where they sell -- but... I think the DEA can't stop the Indians from selling to Mexicans, and that's how it therefore is getting here these days.

until a few years ago most of the meth sold in cities in the West was made in surrounding rural areas. Now only a small fraction of the meth sold in cities in the Pacific Northwest is locally made. Much more potent stuff is coming in from Mexico and is being distributed through the same networks as Mexican heroin.

The number of drug labs found in rural areas of Pierce and Thurston Counties in Western Washington peaked in 2002 and has been declining ever since. Some of that is effective controls on ingredients for manufacturer. Probably a larger reason is that drug cartels decided to exploit a growing market.

I work with ex-offenders in recovery. They are knowledge about the changing drug scene.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10402/meth.htm
Mexican criminal groups, who often operate high capacity superlabs, are the primary producers of methamphetamine in the Pacific and Southwest Regions; however, Caucasian independent producers also are active, typically operating low capacity laboratories capable of producing ounce quantities of methamphetamine.

http://www.coolnurse.com/meth.htm
Historically, suppliers of methamphetamine in the United States were gangs and other independent trafficking groups. Although gangs continue to produce meth and control a share of the market, Mexico-based trafficking groups entered the illicit methamphetamine market in 1995 and now dominate the trade. With their ability to obtain wholesale (multi-ton) quantities of precursor chemicals on the international market, their access to already established smuggling and distribution networks, and their control over laboratories capable of large-scale production and distribution of methamphetamine, these criminal groups from Mexico now dominate wholesale meth trafficking in the United States.

The majority of the methamphetamine made and distributed by Mexico-based organizations is produced within the United States, particularly in California and other Western states. Recently, there has been a dramatic increase in the number of methamphetamine laboratories operating in certain states, such as Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Arkansas.

See my above post.

I will go back to hating Lou Dobbs now.

apparently what's happening.

You have to practically give your firstborn now to get a package of cold medicine!

My local grocery store had cough syrup on closeout (50% off). I figure we'll need some over the next year, so I put 4 (4 oz.) bottles im my cart.

When I get to the checkout, I'm told that I'm only allowed to buy two at a time...only eight ounces of cough syrup at a time???

:wtf:

but the fact is that since the DEA has clamped down on availability of ephedrine, the meth problem has subsided somewhat -- no doubt it's only temporary until a new strategy is devised by the meth labs.

And I totally agree with the cough syrup thing -- dextromethorphan is nowhere NEAR the problem that meth is

It's really bad here where I live in the midwest. These laws don't surprise me at all. I can remember a few years ago you couldn't buy Sudafed products because the meth cookers would buy everything in the store. I would rather the sales be restricted by a law than impossible because of meth cookers.

Ridiculous.

Typical overraction by legislators.

He is just fanning the flames of racism in his little crusade against immigration. I think he must be auditioning for Fauz Snooze. I watched them one morning a few weeks ago and learned that the Mexicans are bringing diseases across the border and stealing our SS numbers when they get here. Yeah sure I am scared now.

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on Mexicans too. Lou's another jewel in CNN's journalistic panoply.

he's going to start blaming them for all the missing white women.

the British.

But TB is up, primarily in Latino immigrant communities, and because of health policy, disproportionately among illegal immigrants.

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Must be part of his plan

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blowing his horn here...

It's all part of his plan!

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CBS outlet. One of their tactics is to show mug shots of addicts arrested over and over. Usually, they show the first arrest of a normal looking person and then mugs shot taken over the years. You can see the deterioration of the addicts in a striking way. Although Santa Maria is almost 50% hispanic in population, they haven't shown one hispanic or black meth addict yet. All the addicts have been white. Now if meth is being produced in Mexico, it's probably American ex-patriots who are doing it.

Lou Dobbs is not a racist. Stop this ranting. DU is not freerepublic. I watched and listened to what he said and I must have been watching a different Lou Dobbs. Drugs are coming across our borders from mexico! Right now, Lou Dobbs is the only one fighting for the middle class. I don't agree with everything he says but I agree with most of it.

where is Lou's expose on South Boston :eyes:

You are saying a lot about your own thoughts with that post? Why are you wanting his expose on SOUTH BOSTON? Maybe because it's mostly white?

You have the ability to make some of us lefty DU'ers look like Ronald Reagan in comparison.

A lot of that crap is coming from across the Mexican border. Your failure to see that, and your desire to turn it (and everything else) into racism, is unfortunate.

With all the really bad journalists on TV, the Web and newspapers and you choose to lash out at Lou Dobbs who tells the truth as much as any journalist in the MSM. You demand PURITY, Matcom. That's a prescription for disaster. Hitler's Germany, The Soviet Union, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Cambodia.....demanding ideological purity never works. Never.

if you think Lou Dobbs is telling the truth - or giving a COMPLETE unbiased picture here.

It's all about ratings for Lou. If that means slanting a story to excite people, so be it. Lou is a master of that.

Now run back inside before you catch a disease from a dirty Mexican.

not now, not before.

Please refer to post #36

Meth is cooked right here in the USA. Pot is grown all over the country in backyards and basements. Do you honestly believe that if we lock our border with Mexico (as if that is possible - LOL) we won't have any more illegal drugs available in this country?

And yes, Lou Dobbs is promoting racism. He consistently gives a narrow slanted view to the immigration problem.

Now I've heard everything. :crazy:

Warning: Blaming brown people will not prevent BushCo from stealing you blind.

the cartels will collapse along with the price. then all the money we spend on hiring cops and judges and jailers can be spent on prevention or rehab.


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big or small, in America and they can tell you exactly who's kitchen is cooking meth in their pots. The ingredients are bought locally and cooked from coast to coast. This is not to say that I think it is good but Lou needs a reality check on who is supplying it.

because that would be nearly impossible these days.

edited to add: I should be more specific -- do you mean the ingredients are purchased at stores, or by dealers (who brought it in from Mexico)?

If there is a limit of 2 sudafed packages per customer per store, then a couple could go through town and go pick up 4 packages from each store in town, this can equal a hundred packages or more per day. Pay in cash and its damned near untraceable, and you could supply enough meth for an area easily enough. Same for any other restricted substances.

I don't know how they would trace it unless they require your SSN# or DL# at point of purchase. Showing an ID just to purchase something doesn't mean its logged in the computer. But I haven't even had a cold in 2 years, so I don't know the current laws on this stuff.

haven't bought that kind of cold medicine for years. But what I hear is that you not only have to show ID, but that they log it into a book, so yes, they definitely are keeping track now.

to identify these "shoppers" especially if they are never cross referenced with other pharmacies, even competing companies. I do not believe there is a central database for this type of information, simply because I cannot see CVS and Walgreen's sharing info, in addition to other local pharmacies and other stores that sell OTC medication. In addition to that, I can see where this wouldn't be that effective, IDs can be faked, even newer ones with holograms and such, with the right amount of cash.

prescriptions for their idiot doctors. I have seen it.

controlled drugs that are needed are coming from people who sell their prescriptions. Local people.

The big drug Company said no.If you want to see, go to
Frontline and watch the meth documentary.

Stopped what? The production of cold medicines that contain either ephedrine or pseudoephedrine? I think they did stop the ephedrine, and then the meth cookers learned to use pseudoephedrine.

Worked for his antecedents in the KKK and White Citizen's Councils.

Now liquid cough medicine coming across the border, I'll buy. But the meth is made here...mostly by ignorant fuckwits in trailers...

Meth is coming across the border. Check out some of the posts above.

http://www.coolnurse.com/meth.htm


Historically, suppliers of methamphetamine in the United States were gangs and other independent trafficking groups. Although gangs continue to produce meth and control a share of the market, Mexico-based trafficking groups entered the illicit methamphetamine market in 1995 and now dominate the trade. With their ability to obtain wholesale (multi-ton) quantities of precursor chemicals on the international market, their access to already established smuggling and distribution networks, and their control over laboratories capable of large-scale production and distribution of methamphetamine, these criminal groups from Mexico now dominate wholesale meth trafficking in the United States.

And, although I am a product of the Texas public school system, I read quite well.

Plus, you have cocaine and illegal weapons now pouring in from Mexico.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-05-17-nuevo-laredo-cover_x.htm

I still think Lou is over-stating the meth traffic over the border.

So, I take it you're in favor of armed troops guarding our borders?

The majority of the methamphetamine made and distributed by Mexico-based organizations is produced within the United States, particularly in California and other Western states. Recently, there has been a dramatic increase in the number of methamphetamine laboratories operating in certain states, such as Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Arkansas.

Mexico. Without Mexico, you have nothing but the little guys making small amounts. Why didn't you highlight the "Mexico-based organizations" part?


http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10402/meth.htm

And if you think we have just little guys making small amounts, come to Kansas for a tour of meth labs :)

This thread is probably more disinformation then the CNN story, with all due respect.

There is a huge meth problem rooted in mexico and coming across our borders. I've seen many acknowledgements about meth problems in the US as well, but saying that a huge problem exists with it coming through the Mexican border is not disinformation, it is simple blunt fact.

Did you even bother to check before ranting about it?

locking down the border won't do diddly squat to stop the meth epidemic.

Lots of meth labs there, and in NorCal as well. Last time I checked, we were still part of US. Mr. Dobbs needs to talk with our local sheriffs. They could give him an earfull.

The main ingredient that is used to make meth, is very difficult to obtain IN QUANTITY within the US nowadays, and so the INGREDIENT that meth labs need to cook meth is being brought in from Mexico.

Having a lab in California, and getting the chemical to make meth from Mexico, are not mutually exclusive.

It would make sense that the next logical step is to omit the "lab in the US" part of the equation, and just cook the stuff in Mexico, which is apparently what is happening more and more.

After all, it's more fun to bash the messenger than analyze the message. :shrug:

coming across the border? :)

for as long as there is a market for such substances, someone, somewhere will try to fill the "need". Until addiction and abuse are addressed as medical problems, instead of law enforcement issues, the drugs will continue to come into the country or be produced locally. (Just remember how well Prohibition worked, or rather, didn't.)

Meth is just the latest drug to come north...
cocaine
crack
pot
heroin
alcohol
meth

different drugs, same issues.

I'm convinced that it's a different class from almost all the other drugs. If you look at how it affects brain chemistry, you can see why it's so utterly destructive.

I think that's what makes it different. I don't think it's *just* another drug.

I object to the so-called "war on drugs" as regards nearly every other drug -- but meth seems to be in a class by itself.

I don't think many people understand that distinction.

I have seen some of the "tweekers" out here in the boonies. They are a mess. Yes, meth is in a different class, but the reasons for drug use/abuse must still be addressed. Until then, the illicit chemists will continue to invent harsher and meaner chemicals, and those who self-medicate will continue to consume them. Meth has the addition problem of producing so much hazardous waste in the production process.

Historically, we have seen:
alcohol
opium
absinthe
heroin
cocaine
meth

Seems to me it is not the drug, but the person. There will always be a new drug. Squash meth, and there will be something else.

I can give him a tour of meth labs in rural Kansas. Then we'll go over to Missouri, then north to Iowa.

I do not care what he thinks. He is not a reporter, since he, and CNN in general, report nothing. What they do is issue their opinions based on whatever set of lies they buy into and repeat the propaganda du jour.

I was forced - yes literally forced - to watch Wolf Blitzer in the lead up to the war, since I was traveling a lot in those days and was frequently stuck at airport gates, where CNN functioned as the telescreen. (You couldn't turn it off.) He seemed to be reading propaganda.

I can honestly say I have, since I stopped travelling so much, spent a minute watching CNN. I have no idea what Lou Dobbs says except what people report here.

For that matter, I have never seen Bill O'Reilly, or Ann Coulter, or Sean Hannity. If people here didn't talk about them, I wouldn't know who they were.

I am always a little amazed that so much is reported about these people. I think if we ignored them, they would be more likely to go away.

The whole business of CNN is a rant, and a right wing rant at that.

I don't log on to FreeRepublic and I don't watch CNN.

Come to think of it neither did I.

And by the way what ever happened to Lou's wife after she tried to board an airliner with a loaded pistol?

Don

or most other drugs, for that matter.

Meth is in a class by itself in terms of destruction of people's lives.

Can't get much more destructive than that.

Continue on with your defending Rush and Lou if you want.

See ya.

Don

Again, you have missed the point, and I'm not defending either Rush or Lou, just trying to add some logic and reason where it is lacking

Most meth in America DOES come from Mexico or Mexican OC groups.

" Historically, suppliers of methamphetamine in the United States were outlaw motorcycle gangs and other independent trafficking groups. Although motorcycle gangs continue to produce meth and control a share of the market, Mexico-based trafficking groups entered the illicit methamphetamine market in 1995 and now dominate the trade. With their ability to obtain wholesale (multi-ton) quantities of precursor chemicals on the international market, their access to already established smuggling and distribution networks, and their control over laboratories capable of large-scale production and distribution of methamphetamine, these criminal groups from Mexico now dominate wholesale meth trafficking in the United States."


http://www.kci.org/meth_info/national_trend.htm

Did any of you even read that entire article? Guess not! You are the third person in this thread to quote from it. LOL

The majority of the methamphetamine made and distributed by Mexico-based organizations is produced within the United States, particularly in California and other Western states. Recently, there has been a dramatic increase in the number of methamphetamine laboratories operating in certain states, such as Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Arkansas.

Are all them illegal Mexicans buying up our sudafed, taking it back to Mexico, manufacturing Meth, and then returning to the USA to sell it?

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10402/meth.htm


Methamphetamine Production Methods

Ephedrine/Pseudoephedrine Reduction:

Hydriodic acid/red phosphorus: Often associated with Mexican DTOs, this method can yield multipound quantities of d-methamphetamine. The precursor chemicals used in this method of production include ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, hydriodic acid, and red phosphorus.

Birch (also called the Nazi method): Most often used by small-scale, independent methamphetamine producers, this method yields ounce quantities of d-methamphetamine. Precursor chemicals include ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, anhydrous ammonia, and sodium or lithium metal.

... that meth isn't made in the US. What people have been saying is that large quantities of meth and its precursors are coming into the US via the Mexican border.

Of course it is being made here in the US but that doesn't mean we have to turn a blind eye to the tons of it that are coming across the border because of the lax security.

It can't be the fact that tons of meth and its precursors are coming across the border because of our lax security.

You can't throw a charge of racism around just to make the inconvenient facts go away.

that mumps is NOT being imported from Mexico and that most of the meth sold here is made here. But if you worship at the altar of Lou Dobbs, you would never know that.

Bulk ephedrine? Only available in Canada.

Most tweakers steal the E, though, so the only ingredient needed ifor homemade manufacture is the Red.

It has been sourced in this thread numerous times that meth is coming across the border in large quantities as well as its precursors. Why would you not be in favor of stopping this?

I guess we should just turn a blind eye to that as well as all the other drugs that come across.

Legalize it all. Regulate it, tax it. Leave the police out of it, except to clean up the mess, as with alcohol.

First it's a question of admitting it in the first place.

Most of it is still, ultimately, manufactued/processed in the US (MADE IN AMERICA! and ain't we proud?), but meth is a problem growing faster than the media can report it. Until Mexico changes its laws and begins enforing them, meth will continue to be increasingly produced by organized Mexican criminals.

looks like the crooks are finding a way and you're still objecting. I don't understand what this has to do with the workers who pick lettuce and wash cars.

And tell us about the number product coming out of Aghanistan, thanks to your proud home-grown American NATO invasion there. Tell us all about it. Tell us Lou.

To phase out a cheap over-the counter drug, pseudo ephedrine*, in
favor of more expensive, prescription replacements, it was a matter of time before other ways of meeting the demand started to develop.

*A follow-up of their "dangerous!" demonization campaign against herbals containing ephedrine, which relieves the same symptoms, several years ago.

Meth has been around for decades, the chemicals used to be anonymously available by the ton. Ever wonder why it became an major issue in recent years?

Will the media ever mention that a pharmaceutical version of meth is available, brand name Desoxyn? Hint: It is given to children for ADHD.

Those drug advertising dollars sure pay for much more than meets the eye.

the real origin of the problem will still presist. See how dangerous people's views are when they are professed as news?