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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:23 AM
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Reporter Snuck into Wiretapping-Vendors' Conference
Thursday, June 1, 2006
Reporter sneaks into wiretapping-vendor's conference

Wired News sent Thomas Greene to the ISS World Conference, a no-press-allowed conference for companies that sell wiretapping equipment to law enforcement, ISPs, telcos, and repressive governments. These super-s33kr1t spies blabbed everything in the bar, let Greene slip into the conference spaces and eavesdrop, and slipped him a copy of the conference CD to copy to his laptop.
Greene recounts some fascinating discussions he held with attendees about the ethics of selling snooping technologies to the kinds of governments that imprison and torture dissidents. In one case, he had a remarkable conversation with an attendee who assured him that the Bush administration was less conscientious of human rights than foreign dictators:

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"You really need to educate yourself," he insisted. "Do you think this stuff doesn't happen in the West? Let me tell you something. I sell this equipment all over the world, especially in the Middle East. I deal with buyers from Qatar, and I get more concern about proper legal procedure from them than I get in the USA."

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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:26 AM
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1. Link, please (but still K & R) n/t
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:31 AM
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2. Google finds nothing
I tried several different phrases and keywords. :(
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:31 AM
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3. Here's the wired.com link
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:34 AM
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4. I checked - that's the same story, all right
Great find!
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:38 AM
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5. Kicked and Recommended... there's your 5th vote. welcome to "greatest"
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:53 AM
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6. Slashdot has it now
I can only wait to see what the techno-libertarians there do to this one

http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/06/01/156213.shtml

:popcorn:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:09 AM
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7. It just doesn't get any scarier.
All of my years of pessimism were proven to be justified.

One particular snip of hipocracy-

It's ironic that spooks so often remind us that we've got nothing to fear from their activities if we've got nothing nasty to hide, while they themselves are rarely comfortable without multiple layers of secrecy, anonymity and plausible deniability.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:25 PM
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8. this conclusion is dead on
"The windup is that garden-variety crooks will remain those most susceptible to remote, electronic surveillance, while sophisticated, tech-savvy bad guys will continue operating below the radar. CALEA and its most potent technological offspring are inadequate to catch the people who most need catching. The project of "lawful interception" is huge, grotesquely expensive, controversial, infused with unnecessary secrecy and often useless against the most important suspects it purports to target."

But we knew that. Osama isn't going to call you on your princess phone and say yo dude this the O.B.L. here would you mind making arrangements to fly another airplane into a skyscraper . . . . in English, instead of Esperanto or Urdu or some dialect of Farsi only known to only two living people.

They're going after tax evaders, people screwing around on their spouses, political opponents, titty bar patrons, et al, etc. users of free boxing tickets, and anyone on their shitlist for any reason whatsoever.

Can't find terrists abroad, so start inventing some here to justify your budgets.




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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:31 PM
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9. This was particularly scary:
"I deal with buyers from Qatar, and I get more concern about proper legal procedure from them than I get in the USA.""

Big Brother officially has us by the balls now. :scared:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:09 PM
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13. Take a grain of salt with that...Qataris face penalties Americans don't.
If violating the law could lead to someone cutting off your head with a sword, you'd be pretty damned cautious about checking the legality of what you're doing. It's not necessarily evidence that they're nicer people, or have a better government. They just have more fear of the consequences.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:05 PM
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10. This looks like something Keith Olbermann would be interested in...
Naturally, this forbidden object contained nothing that could justify keeping it from a journalist. There were no stunning revelations about new intercept equipment designs, capabilities or techniques. Making it unavailable was just another expression of the conference director's small-minded attitude of hostility toward the press.

An attendee told me that during one presentation, a discussion arose about whether the press should be invited to future ISS conferences. Some of those present believed that secrecy only leads to speculation, which is usually worse for trade than the facts. Others believed that reporters are too ignorant to write competently about the secret intercourse between big business and law enforcement, and should be told as little as possible in hopes that they'll have nothing to write. Judging by my own experiences, it was clear that the second line of reasoning had prevailed.

But it's foolish to be secretive: A determined reporter can't be thwarted, and it's better that one should have more rather than less information to work with.


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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:09 PM
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11. good idea.
Just sent them the link.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:14 PM
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12. excellent idea
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:12 PM
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14. snot=selective neglect of truth, yes? (RCOC SOP) nt eom eatoin shrdlu K&R
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:19 PM
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17. You don't need to encrypt DU posts, you know
well, not yet anyway
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:42 PM
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15. Holy Crap
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 09:08 PM
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16. Kicked...
:kick:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 09:16 AM
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18. Nice security they've got at this Conference
What if the reporter was a stringer with the Taliban Weekly?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 10:24 AM
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19. the OP shows just how much security your government is providing
if a reporter can sneak in ANYONE can.
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