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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:19 AM
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Should "democracies" destablize other "democracies?"
WTF are we doing by cutting off funds and aid to the Hamas led government? By making it impossible for the Palestinian government to pay its security and police forces, aren't we just fomenting more violence in the ME? Why would we not give the newly elected government all the help they need to become a peaceful partner in the ME peace process? This one-sided-support-Israel-no-matter-what policy of the west is surely designed to ensure that there will never be peace in that area. It's shameful, inhumane, and anti-freedom and democracy. The Palestinian people duly elected their government and we have not even given them a chance to govern. The EU is just as bad as the US, being controlled by neocons all over the place.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:30 AM
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1. Should the EU destabilize the US if we elected a war criminal?
I don't see how one could claim moral superiority when one unleashes a war where soldiers are daily accused of torturing "detainees" and are accused of various war crimes like what happened in Haditha and where entire cities are flattened using weapons that have horrific effects on human flesh like napalm or white phosphorus. All you've done is respond to one kind of evil, the evil of terrorism, with another kind of evil, the evil of war.

We could argue all day long the differences between carpet-bombing and napalming cities and calling dead civilians "collateral damage" vs. intentionally blowing up buses and restaurants and trains, but in the end, do the dead really give a flying fuck how they died?
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RoseMead Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:47 AM
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2. First understand that the US is not a democracy
then understand that US foreign policy does not really give a rat's ass about democracy in other countries, and things like this start to make more sense.

This is the biggest lie of all: that we are the beacon of democracy spreading democracy throughout the world! The reality is that the US only supports "democracy" in a limited fashion for nations who agree to do what we want them to. True democracy, at home or abroad, is the last thing the powers that rule this nation want to see.

Also, in the case of the Hamas-led Palestinian government, I don't think Israel wants to see them succeed, and the US is joined at the hip with Israel, so no way we will do anything to assist the Hamas government, no matter how many Palestinians legitimately voted for them.

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987654321 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:56 AM
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3. It just makes no sense.
Do I approve of some of the things Hamas has done in the past? No way. In fact, I don't agree with just about everything they stand for. But one thing I know for certain, the only sure fire way to have peace is by making our enemies our friends. As long as our government keeps thinking that guns and bombs will make the world more secure, peace will never flourish.

It seems simple to me. When someone hates you, and you show them your goodness, you show them that your intentions are noble and honorable. With that you take away the fuel that feeds their hatred. This works most of the time, though I do know that sometimes there are those who are so committed to hating there is very little one can do to change them. (see our own right wing extremists, for example) However, one certain way to keep people hating you is to treat them like shit. We keep piling on reasons for people to hate us, some of them potentially dangerous people, and all this does is guarantee that they will hate us, and many will, at some point, act on that hatred. With that security, peace, and democracy can never be achieved.
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