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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:11 PM
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Computer Predicts Executions With Uncanny Accuracy
Found this at http://www.acsblog.org/cat-criminal-law.html

The Christian Science Monitor reports that a computer program designed by a team of criminologists and computer scientists is able to predict the outcome of death penalty cases with better than 90% accuracy. The program considers no law or legally significant facts in making its assessment, instead basing its analysis entirely on factors such as age, race, sex, and marital status of the offender and the date and type of offense.

The implication, says Dee Wood Harper, one of the researchers and a professor of criminal justice at Loyola University in New Orleans, is that "if this mindless software can determine who is going to die and who is not going to die, then there's some arbitrariness here in the system."


Original source: Using software to model death row outcomes

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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:15 PM
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1. Good, let's fire all the judges?
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 08:16 PM by WannaJumpMyScooter
:sarcasm:

WTF is this all about? I read it and am still not sure.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:17 PM
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2. Death sentences are based on social status
And using only those factors, along with type of crime, the computer can predict who will get death 90% of the time.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:36 PM
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6. read the article
it's not talking about predicting who gets sentenced to death.

It's about who, out of those ALREADY sentenced to death, actually get executed.

also, it's doesn't look like the result is really based on social status.
It's hard to tell without more information but it looks like location was used as a factor.

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The clues are already there, Harper says. For instance, the state where someone is convicted is key. California has the largest number of inmates on death row and has executed just 12 people in the last 38 years, whereas Texas has been "an execution machine," he says.
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"If you can die in Texas three times faster than you can die in Louisiana, or you happen to have committed a murder in one of the 38 states where the death penalty occurs, then that in itself is an arbitrary thing," Harper says. "You can be one foot over the line in the next state and not be subject to this kind of penalty."
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:39 PM
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7. Thanks, Clovis. That's even worse!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:27 PM
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3. that's a bit over the top-- I find this very disturbing....
I presume your question "WTF is this all about?" was rhetorical. If death penalty outcomes in capital cases are so closely correlated with social, economic, and racial issues, then it either means that those are arbitrary determinants in the sentencing phase, or that they are highly correlated with the nature of the crimes themselves. That is possible, I suppose, although my understanding is that the incidence and nature of violent crime is pretty evenly distributed across the various demographies in America.

It suggests that courts are very likely to hand out stiffer sentences-- death penalties in this case-- to certain socio-economic groups, and less likely to kill members of other groups, based more on group membership than upon the nature of the crime. This has long been maintained by death row advocates.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:33 PM
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4. They're just pointing out the obvious
Even the most ardent death penalty supporter will admit that there is a Certain Kind of Person who gets sentenced to death. Look at socioeconomic factors and you will see: Poor people get the needle. Rich people get life in prison. Men get the needle. Women get life. Single men get the needle; married men get life. Attractive people don't get executed; ugly people do.

At this point we've got to stop and point out that Karla Faye Tucker breaks all the expected stereotypes--white female, pretty, enough money. I think it was the pickaxe thing.

What the authors of this study have proven is that the Certain Kind of Person thing is so institutionalized that you can basically pick off who these people are without even knowing the details of what they did.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:34 PM
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5. My computer predicts an execution
of a civilian in iraq today, and an american soldier.

My computer predicts people will die in every nation today.

My computer predicts more people will be born than die.

My computer predicts that the US prison population will
grow towards 2% of the population as they increase the
petty criminalization to further the new slavery.

My computer predicts that most of today's murdering will
be done with weapons made by americans.

And all that, without even turning it on.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:49 PM
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9. Uncanny!
I love that word. Whatever people use it to refer to is usually only "uncanny" to them. :eyes:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 08:47 PM
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8. Exactly the opposite of "arbitrariness in the system"
it's too predictable. That's the problem.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 11:22 PM
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13. exactly!
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 09:18 PM
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10. Does it compare money spent on lawyers?
That factor is often HUGE.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 11:10 PM
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11. Good question...
Did you see that study just done that found a defendent does about equally well representing him- herself? That says a lot. If you haven't seen it, I'll try to dig it up, or it might be posted at talkleft.com.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 11:24 PM
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12. That's probably about right, sadly.
Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 11:26 PM by Marie26
I wonder if it considers location too - that seems to be the real determining factor sometimes.
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