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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:22 AM
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Poll question: Who believes these investigations of murdered Iraqis are on the up and up?
On March 30, 2003, 11 days into the war, Rumsfeld was asked in an ABC News interview if he was surprised that American forces had not yet found any weapons of mass destruction.

"Not at all," Rumsfeld said, according to an official Pentagon transcript. "The area in the south and the west and the north that coalition forces control is substantial. It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:28 AM
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1. Kinda like having John Gotti investigat the mob.
From a previous "investigation" by the military:

"There is nothing to conceal or apologize for in the Wounded Knee Battle - beyond the killing of a wounded buck by a hysterical recruit. The firing was begun by the Indians and continued until they stopped - with the one exception noted above."

"That women and children were casualties was unfortunate but unavoidable, and most must have been from Indian bullets...The Indians at Wounded Knee brought their own destruction as surely as any people ever did. Their attack on the troops was as treacherous as any in the history of Indian warfare, and that they were under a strange religious hallucination is only an explanation not an excuse."

...excerpts from an official investigation of Wounded Knee
initiated at the behest of Congress, written by General E. D. Scott.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:51 AM
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2. Not sure. With all of the press, they can't just sweep this under the rug
"On the up and up"? Maybe not. However, I think they know they're going to have to hang somebody (figuratively) for this. I think at least some of the soldiers involved will be punished.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:55 AM
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4. The press has helped sweep the deaths of tens of thousands of...
...Iraqi men, women, and children under the rug and you know it.

So why all of a sudden are they going to follow up on this one with any honesty?

Don
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:19 AM
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8. Because the press isn't "helping" them with this one.
The story is out. Combined with the ill will we've built around the world and the other stories of wrongdoing by our military, the entire world is watching this. The Pentagon will realize that its easier to send a dozen soldiers to Leavenworth than try to explain this away.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:31 AM
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9. The press has been helping out all they can
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1335168&mesg_id=1335168

NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-02-06 10:27 AM
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How long until Bush has his minions set up a phony "massacre" in Iraq?

Edited on Fri Jun-02-06 10:29 AM by NNN0LHI

So as to create doubt and discredit all the rest of the ones that were real? That is these criminals MO.

I say it won't be long before they begin Swiftboating a whole bunch of dead Iraqi people.

Don


NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-02-06 04:51 PM
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2. Boy that was fast wasn't it?

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02247108.htm

U.S. clears troops in Iraqi deaths in Ishaqi

WASHINGTON, June 2 (Reuters) - A U.S. military probe has exonerated U.S. troops in the deaths of Iraqi civilians in the town of Ishaqi in March, finding American forces followed standard procedures and committed no misconduct, defense officials said on Friday.

The Ishaqi incident was one of a handful involving civilian deaths being investigated by the U.S. military, including the deaths of 24 civilians in the town of Haditha last November.

Police in Ishaqi, 60 miles (100 km) north of Baghdad, have said six adults and five children were shot dead in a U.S. military raid on a home on March 15.

The U.S. military maintains there were four dead in the incident, including a guerrilla, two women and a child, and said they died after troops were fired upon from the house as they arrived to arrest an al Qaeda suspect.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:34 AM
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10. I'm speaking of Haditha, not Ishaqi.
I think we'll see a different outcome with the Haditha event.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:37 AM
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11. That is the thing. The average person doesn't know Ishaqi from Hadita
All they hear is U.S. clears troops in Iraqi deaths and they go back to American Idol and are happy again. Thats the way it works.

Don
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:43 AM
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12. Unfortunately, you're correct.
That's partially the media's fault, but the primary fault lies with our staggeringly ignorant and apathetic populace...and I don't know how to solve that problem.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:54 AM
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3. I believe the military personnel in charge of the investigation
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 08:57 AM by Poppyseedman
will do the right thing and investigate the incident fully. No matter how bad or explosive the event was.

Career military people care a lot more about their service being besmirched or cleaned up then covering Rumsfeld ass.

They want to get to the bottom and clean up any messes their people have made.

Once it goes above the military into the political circles, all bets are off.

As a side note: I understand this event is getting almost no press or air time in Iraq itself outside of the area. So the Iraq people will probably not know about until the history books are written.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:55 AM
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5. I'd like to sell you some valuable waterfront property



in the Everglades if you voted anything but "No".


Just look at their past performance.






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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:59 AM
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6. Let's think about the effect of this, even if it isn't true:
The Mohammad Cartoons, need I say more?

This could be the end of our stay in Iraq, but unfortunately it could be the end of any hope for Iraq.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:04 AM
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7. So you think only us white folks can help the Iraqis now do you?
Without us everything is just hopeless for them poor unwashed Iraqi masses if we leave, eh?

I think reading a little about Iraqs past history would be of great benefit to you.

Don
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