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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:56 AM
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Why do you think Bush* backed out of his "deal" to fly fighter jets?
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 09:14 AM by Toots
Bush* was granted special treatment as a National Guardsman. He was given favorable treatment even getting into the Guard as their was a long line ahead of him and then he was given a commission even though he did not attend either ROTC or Officer Candidate School. He then signed up to be a fighter jet pilot. To do that he had to sign a form saying if the State spent so much money and time in training him he would continue to fly for the duration of his time in Service. The state spent upwards to a million dollars in his training and almost the minute his training was complete Bush* quit. He refused to take a mandatory flight physical and because of that he was grounded. Why do you believe Mr. "Stay the Course" just up and quit? Do you think he was so addled by drugs and booze he knew he couldn't pass the physical or did he get the crap scared out of him and quit out of fear or was he just too busy partying? He did not live up to his obligation of that there is no doubt but why do you think he didn't and could the state of Texas sue him for breach of contract? Try and get their million dollars back..:shrug:
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rusty_parts2001 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:57 AM
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1. Two words........
Drug Test
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Zen Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:11 AM
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17. Yep
you nailed it...
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:21 AM
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29. I can't understand why people make unfounded allegations. check evidence..
Does this person look like a coke-head to anyone?

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 08:59 AM
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2. Two reasons - He had a fear of LANDING and he had a coke problem.
Coke does increase a person's natural paranoia.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:47 AM
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27. They say take-offs are optional, but landings are mandatory
Everyone knows Bush doesn't like to be made to do anything. And he's a coward, besides.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:00 AM
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3. I believe the planes Bush was certified to fly were not being used in Nam
And of course he quit the Air National Guard because the war was over and the risk of being called up was gone. Now it's off to grad school so he could run a couple of oil companies into the ground. Why do you hate America?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:05 AM
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12. you are right .the planes were not the same
he was basically flying korean war planes and he would have washed out on the planes they flew in nam. why do i hate america? because i am a communist,you know,one of them chinese communists...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 12:08 PM
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34. It appears the pilot was just part of an automated system
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 12:14 PM by alfredo
http://www.f-106deltadart.com/index1.htm The 106 was an update of the 102.

What is your take on this?


http://www.f-106deltadart.com/index1.htm

The Hughes MA-1 fire control system incorporated the first digital computer to be built into a fire control system. A datalink with NORAD's SAGE system meant that radio silence could be maintained throughout the intercept, while an autopilot allowed the ground controllers to "fly" the aircraft during the final approach to the target. A Tactical Situation Display (TSD) between the pilot's feet showed a moving map of the route across the ground during the intercept.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:15 AM
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21. Actually, they were being used in Nam at the time.
Additionally, Smirk was refused entry to grad school due (apparently) to his grades at Yale. It took four years for Poppy to get him into Harvard's "charm school" for an MBA. Damned near any other guy would be at the very top of his Draft Board's list upon graduation - after 4 years of student deferments. Thus, his entry to TANG was 'expedited' by Poppy and cronies. The lyin' scion was probably not much involved in the decision to go into TANG - I'd guess that was Poppy's doing.

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:00 AM
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4. 1. Couldn't pass the piss test
2. He's always quit when it was convenient for HIM
3. Unfortunately even if he could be sued, the statute of limitations has long expired.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:00 AM
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5. Threw up/wetted his undies?
:shrug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:02 AM
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6. Because it made his ears go 'pop'
Oh, and because he was too high on coke to serve his country.


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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:03 AM
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7. Drugs (n/t)
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:03 AM
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8. how many hours did he log, does anyone know? Did he ever fly one?
my Dad is and has been a pilot for 40 years and thinks there is no way * could have ever flown a model airplane never mind a fighter jet.
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Scoody Boo Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:14 AM
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20. Actually, he did log hours...
alot of them. This came up on a political discussion on a motorcycle board last year. I'll check the archives on that site for the link.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:03 AM
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9. Not good enough.
For whatever reasons - drugs, lack of discipline, not willing to take orders, fear - could be a number of things.

He just didn't have "The Right Stuff" to be a pilot and I'm sure that little fact is mixed up in his psyche somewhere, reinforcing his inadequacies (especially since Daddy was a pilot).
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:04 AM
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10. A young Ensign
I knew in the Navy flunked out of flight school because he froze up trying to land his airplane. (His story)

He later entered EOD School. He quit that training in the hardhat diving phase. In his own words he was just too darned scared.

I put Bush in that category.

180
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:04 AM
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11. His testicles.
They were simply too large to fit safely into any jet. Even as an older bull, when he landed on the air craft carrier to announce the end of hostilities in Iraq, the commander-in-chief's family jewels required special packaging. The enormous balls are so powerful that he is willing to risk other people's lives in his quest for power.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:08 AM
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13. Yes, I do believe that you're right. It's a wonder he didn't kill Pickles
in their attempts at procreation.

Oh ick.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:11 AM
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16. Well Duhhhh
Everyone knows that of course.....LOL... One of the things I truly love about this place is how you all make me laugh..Thanks I needed that....
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:14 AM
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18. Oh, that would explain
his macho gait as well.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:58 AM
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31. I always thought that the "macho" gate ...
. . . was, well, due to Jeff Gannon's activities.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:01 AM
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28. I understand they had to use their largest carrier for that photo op...
... his balls were so massive that they would have sunk an ordinary aircraft carrier.
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:08 AM
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14. No Doubt Flying Fighter Jets...
was more than a tad beyond his intellectual comfort level; too much like work and embarrassing when he couldn't do it right. Then too, there's the actual fear of potentially (a) crashing, and (b) being called on to do something dangerous, and we all know how 'courageous' the guy is. Certainly, in addition to all of the foregoing, he wouldn't have passed his physical if they tested for drugs as we all know the degree of his moral turpitude. Hard to pick one over the others, but the latter was a hard stop--don't pass the physical, cannot fly.

They ought to be able to sue him; but alas, along with the records of his going AWOL being "coincidentally"** destroyed, no doubt so too was any hope of being able to prove anything regarding his waste of government funds. If there was any justice, he'd have to pay back the costs with both interest and penalties that would put the I.R.S. to shame! To simplify, they could just designate his current net worth as the minimum value owed...

**There is no such thing as coincidence.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:09 AM
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15. Pants-pissing.
Kept shorting out the controls?
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:14 AM
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19. All I know is...
Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 09:14 AM by jasonc
as a pilot myself and an enthusiast of fighters, if given the opportunity to fly a fighter and never have to worry about going to war I would be in heaven. hell, I would do it for free.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:19 AM
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22. Here's the mother-lode, friends
History of his flying "career", with this great little snippet:

"Bush really flying in a Cessna 172 in 1976:

NOT LONG AFTER Reisner's delicate trip to Midland, Bush banged on the door of Susie and Don Evans on an otherwise placid Sunday afternoon and suggested to Don that they head out to the airport and spend a few bucks for a spin over the desiccated Permian Basin in a single-engine Cessna. Susie Evans, who had gone to elementary school with Bush, was a longtime Midland presence, and when she had been dating her future husband in Houston, she had frequently stayed at the Bush house. She had moved back to Midland, and after she had heard that Bush was back in town, she and her husband had frequently invited him over.

Her husband Don Evans... Willard... was a short, fastidious, narrow-faced oilman in his early thirties who was poised to assume control of the Tom Brown Company, one of the legendary older names in the West Texas patch. Bush had begun spending more time at the Evanses' apartment in the Windsor Courts, drinking cocktails with them and leaving his laundry for Susie to do. Bush liked Evans's politics, he liked that they were about the same age and that both of them had recent MBAs. He liked the fact that Evans's old man had landed on the beach at Normandy during World War II.

Evans said he'd love to go flying. At the airport he watched Bush stare at the controls, at the panel, and he realized that Bush-though not admitting it-had no idea how to fly the thing properly. After finally figuring out how to launch the plane, Bush pushed the Cessna hard down the runway. Evans screamed, "Give it some gas!" The Cessna's warning system was blinking and crackling. Bush tried to lift his craft fast, almost as if he were piloting a jet back in the Texas Air National Guard. The plane wobbled into the air, and the unsubtle maneuvering threatened to shove it into a stall. Now the rented plane was rattling in the sky over Midland

The endless petrochemical complexes, all the aluminum and steel and smoke stacks that pockmark the Permian Basin, were spiking up just below the aircraft. Bush nervously turned to Evans, put his hand on his knee and blurted in his self-mocking West Texas way, "Okay, Evvie, I’ve got it under control."

After more seemingly endless moments, he somehow got control of the plane again. He aimed the aircraft down, and the landing was as shaky and brutal as the takeoff. The plane careened off the runway and onto the desert. Evans sighed in relief. Then an unbelieving Evans braced himself as Bush suddenly and unexpectedly spun the plane and bounced back along the runway. Evans stared at Bush. He could see the fear and panic flooding his face. Bush pressed on. Evans had no idea why Bush wanted to go again. The plane wobbled uncertainly back into the West Texas skies, and Bush turned to Evans. "Hey," said Bush airily, as if he had just had an original, amusing idea, "let's fly around Midland."

The men began cracking up. Bush brought the Cessna back to the airport. It was the last time he flew a plane. Evans would be one of the three people at Bush's side in almost every public venture for the twenty-three years."

Minutaglio pg 175&176


Much much more here:

http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:29 AM
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23. Why
do these people not speak up?
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:31 AM
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26. I think this story was quoted in a book about Bush
Maybe "Shrub" by Molly Ivins, but I can't remember right now.
No mention in the MSM of course - that goes without saying.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 11:50 AM
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32. the article refers to him having a pilot's license prior to his running
for the presidency. surely something like that would be easily proved or disproved, as a matter of public record?
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:30 AM
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24. He's a Coward n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 09:30 AM
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25. The knobs, buttons and gauges were too confusing and he was afreered
he'd go boom.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:44 AM
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30. the bulge on "Mission Accomplished Day"
was actually Depends. That give you a clue?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 11:55 AM
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33. Lazy. Plain lazy.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 12:12 PM
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35. Why was he "given" a commission? Is this common? nt.
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