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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 12:33 PM
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Francine Busby just gave them their rallying cry.
If an election can turn on a sentence, this could be the one: “You don't need papers for voting.”

On Thursday night, Francine Busby, the Democratic candidate for the 50th Congressional District, was speaking before a largely Latino crowd in Escondido when she uttered those words. She said yesterday she simply misspoke.

But someone taped it and a recording began circulating yesterday. After she made that statement at the meeting, Busby immediately said: “You don't need to be a registered voter to help (the campaign).”

She said that subsequent statement was to clarify what she meant.

The recording, which was played yesterday on Roger Hedgecock's radio talk show, jolted the campaign.


more at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/50thdistrict/20060603-9999-1mi3busby.html


audio
http://drudgereport.com/bs.mp3

There goes the RFK story.
This will be what brings out the angry base to vote for congressional republicans.

:argh:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 12:38 PM
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1. "badges? we dont need no stinking badges" - Treasure of the Sierra Madre
w/humphrey bogart (paraphrase, not sure of the exact words).

bad move on busby's part. Provides a nice "hook" for the repubs.

when I registered to vote I need proof of address in the district, though not for any kind of citizenships issues.
then again, that was many years ago.

Now when I vote, I always ask why there is no check to confirm I am who I am. Someone else could vote claiming to be me and get away with it no problem, thus making me unable to vote.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:59 PM
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10. They just passed voter ID in Missouri
and the ACLU is challenging it. Not everyone has an ID. And voters have to pay to get a state ID. To get that, they need an official birth certificate, issued by the state, which costs money too.

So it's a poll tax.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 12:40 PM
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2. The DLC must be running her campaign.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:27 PM
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3. she was pandering to illegals, and got (rightly) nailed for it
:argh:


Gawd. You DON'T go around inviting foreigners to "participate" in our elections!

A few weeks ago over in LBN, I was saying that very thing to someone who advocated this same bad idea in a post about her own activism in this very Congressional campaign! I might as well have been talking to a wall, evidently.


The open-borders weenies can be so friggin boneheaded...
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:38 PM
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5. open borders= DLC & corporate GOP
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:37 PM
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4. Sad. One sentence may very well undo her
That sentence is going to turn up in commercials and radio shows and mailers and who knows what else. I accept that she mispoke and meant to say something like, "You don't need papers to . . . be heard . . . to have a say . . . or whatever else along those lines. Since she followed up so quickly with her second sentence, it's clear that she was aware at the time that she mispoke and corrected it as quickly as possible. But sentence number 2 will NEVER be heard. She might still pull it out, though.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 01:40 PM
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6. God that was stupid - if true. But I suspect it's only as big a deal...
... as we allow it to be... Or we could fan the illusory flames, like DU did with Cynthia McKinney.

For reasons I can only speculate on, I suspect that DUers will be more willing to "let it go" this time than they were with McKinney.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 02:11 PM
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7. "Illegal Immigration" is Rove's wedge issue for 2006.
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 01:42 PM
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8. yup
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:51 PM
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9. I just got a phone call message from Francine...
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 02:56 PM by calipendence
This was a misstatement folks. I've talked to her on a number of occasions, and she isn't advocating illegals voting for her. That's plain ridiculous. Of course the right wing spin machine is trying to milk this thing to death.

The Rethugs are still desperate here. Just in the last half hour I got another message right afterward from Laura Bush asking me to vote for Bilbray. Yesterday it was Shrub, and the day before it was McCain. Others have had calls from Cheney. They are pulling out the stops on this one folks.

If you want some SUBSTANTIVE dirt to spread back against Bilbray, check out my posts in this other thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1348616

Bilbray did say he didn't know Jack Abramoff, but flew with his wife to the Marianas on Abramoff's dollar.

Bilbray did say he didn't know Brent Wilkes of Hookergate fame, but did earlier receive campaign donations from both Duke Cunningham and Brent Wilkes for around $13,000 that he later belatedly gave back to charity.

Bilbray did complain about his kids having to pay out of state tuition because both they AND HE are residents of Virginia, not California. Can you say "Carpetbagger"?

None of these are off the cuff mistakes... (Woops another call coming in.... I think someone else from a Rethug call bank was trying to call someone else incorrectly at my number.) These were "mistakes" that took action and knowledge of what he was doing.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:00 PM
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11. See what
I mean?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:03 PM
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14. Yes, but now's not the time to be intimidated!
If we act as if we're beaten because of one exaggerated piece of BS then it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. That is what the right is counting on. That's what has been plaguing us for the last few years. We've got to make this race count. You can tell by their desperate pounding money and calls, etc. into this district that they are scared. We just need to push a little harder ourselves and know that they are slinging a lot of mean stuff at us in the process to make a difference this time!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:14 PM
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15. I know it's not the
time to be intimidated..that's why I'm surprised at DUers who are!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:01 PM
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12. Did you see The McLaughlin Group on Friday night?
John McLaughlin predicted Francine will win.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:01 PM
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13. That's cool... We need more of that!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 09:37 AM
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18. Stacy Taylor and KLSD listeners think this was a setup...
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 09:38 AM by calipendence
Earlier when Stacy was talking to Francine, he was saying that the timing of this question, the taping of it, and the immediate airing of it on Talk radio was pretty suspicious.

Right towards the end of the segment that just came on, a Spanish speaking caller came on and said that if one could read accents, that the way the questioner "without papers" spoke when asking Francine that question was not one with an accent that had just "come over the border", and his opinion was that this was someone that already lives here and is probably a legal resident, adding to the theory that this was a setup.

Don't let these a-holes use their slime to win this race. There are plenty of things to talk to people that have any sense of rationality as reasons they should vote for Busby and not Bilbray. Keep doing it!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:20 PM
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16. Really great stuff
What do you want to bet we'll never see that stuff posted on DU again, but there will be ten threads a day beating Francine up, oh wait I meant offering her constructive criticism. :eyes:

What a scumbag that Bilbray is.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 04:28 PM
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17. There's a lot of dissension even in the right wing flanks now...
One of the very first blogs to report this "story", just came out with this one a little while ago has this post questioning of whether there is anything "there there"... Of course he gets a lot of contentious comments back on this, but they aren't universally swayed by this crapola. I think those that say they believe this were already in the firm Bilbray or Griffith camp anyway...

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/06/04/much-ado-about-nothing.php

June 04, 2006
Much ado about nothing

Quite a few people are in high dudgeon over California Democratic congressional candidate Francine Busby and her apparent solicitation of votes from illegal aliens, including my own colleague Kim Priestap. As a hard-nose on the illegal alien issue, the thought of this happening infuriated me, so I started looking into it myself. And my conclusion? As Dorothy Parker said, "there's no 'there' there."

From the full context of the discussion, it's clear to me that Ms. Busby was asked if one needed to prove one was a legal voter in order to "help" her campaign -- with the clear implication of volunteering to work for her,not simply vote. She replied that they do not check IDs for volunteers, and anyone was welcome to assist. And under current law, they I do not believe they are required to verify the immigration status of an unpaid volunteer.

Whether or not that should be the case, that's the way it is under current law. And whether or not Busby should be held to a higher standard than the legal minimum is another question.

Yes, it is possible to interpret the discussion as a solicitation for voter fraud. But it's a hell of a stretch.

I'm not a lawyer, but if I were defending Ms. Busby, it'd be a slam-dunk. "No, your honor, my client was not soliciting voter fraud. She took the question to mean 'can I volunteer for your campaign without proving my immigration status, as I do not have the papers on me at this moment?', and replied that her campaign, in compliance with the law, does not require such proof from unpaid volunteers. The issue of voting was never in question; the discussion was entirely about campaign volunteer work." It might not be true, but it's enough to generate reasonable doubt.

At the very most, we have a Democratic candidate who is accepting the support of a potential illegal alien. This is absolutely nothing new, and not against any laws.

I hope she is defeated in Congress, as it is attitudes like hers that have put us in such a bind regarding illegal aliens. But I'm afraid this is hardly a smoking gun.
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