I'm a Democrat and I frankly don't give a shit if you call me a sore loser

or a conspiracy theorist or a nutcase or a whackjob because I believe that the last two elections were fraudulently manipulated to guarantee Republican Presidential victories. I don't care if you change the official name of the party to the Sore Loser Party. And no, I'm not "getting over it". There! I said it! Why do our Democratic Leaders seem too vain glorious to make the same commitment I just did? Because they are afraid of being called NAMES?!

I will go on any talk show and cite any of the numerous instances that Greg Palast so ably reported in The Best Democracy Money Can Buy as regards Florida 2000 and when asked about Ohio in 2004 I will cite any of the many documented circumstances in the RFKjr. article as well as on the ground reports in numerous local newspapers. Oh, it happened. The people who didn't think it happened are the sore winners. Let them stand up and defend themselves and their party point by point. I'm sure there are things they can bring up that Democrats have done - go ahead. When the final tally takes place as to who committed more actual, concerted criminal acts, I have no doubt which party would rack up more.

And I am not even talking solely about electronic machinations - there's enough stuff that happened with simple human manipulation. Purging of voter roles with spurious "felons", the deprivation of voting machines to poorer neighborhoods, phone jamming, money laundering, fake terrorist threats that never existed, etc.etc.etc. Any other sore losers out there?

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maybe we might have a better chance to win

now, get to work!

But hey, you knew that. ;-)

...is the biggest enemy to correcting the fraud that occurred. You seem to be saying get over it. Well, that's like telling someone who had their car stolen to get over the theft as they see their car being driven down the road by the thieves. Ridiculous.

I am not a sore loser, I am someone who sees the facts as they are and sees that if I just "get over it", that's all I will do the rest of my life.

Instead, I am more like an election detective: looking for the evidence, so that the perps will be put away, so that they can never again steal YOUR vote.

is the biggest enemy to correcting the fraud that occurred. You seem to be saying get over it. Well, that's like telling someone who had their car stolen to get over the theft as they see their car being driven down the road by the thieves. Ridiculous.

It's like having a bank that's been robbed twice and being told to "get over it" and put
more money into the bank so that it can have more to invest.

Something tells me it's going to be a short visit.

I saw my machine default to Bush 5 times, I GIVE to the dems every month but what I want to
know is how do we get around electronic vote theft?

To try and correct the situation and punish the guilty?

Enjoy your brief stay at DU.

right on!

People have cheated on elections since the beginning of Democracy. Republicans have just perfected the process of cheating. I am very disappointed that Democrats have not protested more. In my opinion no one should win an election unless they received at least 51% of the vote. 50.1% is within the margin of error which is probable close to 1%.

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If you have proof that it wasn't, do tell. I am prepared to show the proof that it was stolen.

Your call.... show me the proof the election was clean, or.....

If the election wasn't rigged. The GOP would never, ever bitch about a rigged election... that would put too bright a light on the subject.

A win is not a win when the winner cheated.

repeating it again in November.


I too would like some proof it wasn't stolen. Please and thank you.

Your still wrong!!

When your done screaming do some research of your own...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm

http://www.organicconsumers.org/politics/elections31005.cfm

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060510/2334247.shtml

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002519.htm

If someone let's their ego, ignorance & arrogance get in the way...it's still no excuse for being voluntarily blind, uniformed and refusing to believe the facts...Scream as loud as you can but at the very least show some facts of your own...Instead of slanted close-minded ideology.

I will go to my grave knowing that Ohio 2004 was dirty.

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who is in jail where he belongs, and there will be more to follow.

Dirty Election "speil" ? Welcome to DU! We are enlightened and we have spellcheck!

for Halliburton-Chevron etc... end of story!

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If you don't learn from the past... as much evidence and argument as possible needs to be presented by those who believe the elections were fraudulent (and the evidence is damning if not legally actionable)--in order to convince enough people that we must respond as aggressively as possible to ensure that the upcoming election and all those that follow are honest... and Verifiable!

So, yes, one needs to look to the future... but also not forget the past and use the present to the best possible advantage.

end of story!

the truth from getting out...What would one expect from the same people who have stolen people's votes, kept people from voting though their twisted convoluted changing of the laws & rules, literally tearing up and throwing away democratic voter registration forms...

Greedy, ugly sick fucking republicans who will do anything & everything to keep their fascist elitist ideology in power, republicans who believe there should only be their point of view tolerated in this country so steal at all cost and they have...

Look who makes up that 95% lily white, selfish(this country belongs only to them) republican party, the same intolerant Jesus is coming back as soon as we destroy the world, Christians...

You gonna tell me these people wouldn't lie, cheat, steal and manipulate liberals progressives democratic votes?

You fucking bet they have, and they need to continue to do so to keep the majority in November -- via their electronic voting machine and any and ALL tactics necessary...They are playing for keeps, and greed and power... Don't get in our way sickness.

It's the republican way or they'll smear, lie, distort and crush you if you speak up or get in their way..thats is the fascist tactic's very effective bulling...just look at Cheney, Rove, Rummy sometime...kill and crush the democratic opposition any way they can!

And of course they will deny EVERYTHING and then point the finger at you and make you explain...the republican owned corporate media is so one-sided to ensure the democrats will sound like cry-baby losers...

We've got to stop their electronic voting machine stealing and election fraud tactics...as they deny it when their doing right in front of your face!!

who not only stole the election but everything else since 2000, if there's any doubt about that,
just ask whatever has happened to the money paid for every drop of Iraqi oil since we invaded Iraq.

2004 election, just the facts by themselves would substantiate the election fraud/shannigans that were planned and pulled off by the GOP. telephone jamming just recently went unrepoted on by those who already plead guilty on the charge.

They ALWAYS use the terminology "cry-babies" "whine", etc. which actually IS the chosen language of bullies. And how do you run off Bullies? You stand up to them! Bullies are more bluster than substance. Karl Rove = Scut Farkle!

sore losers. You have to lose to be a sore loser. We got robbed. We are p*ss*ed off victims.

Getting over it means allowing it to happen again.
Getting over it means allowing those who broke laws to avoid taking responsibility for their actions.
Getting over it means believing that voting doesn't matter and that each vote doesn't have value.
Getting over it means that I don't give a damn that people's constitutional rights were violated.
Getting over it, to me, would mean that I don't really care about our great country.

I'm not getting over it because I care about our democracy! I'm not just angry that the republicans stole the election. I am more angry that our system is broken and that a lot of people don't give a damn because their boy won.
By not getting over it I can remain angry, and then use that anger to work harder for fairness and justice in the future.
I'll be damned if I'm going to allow my country to fall into a fascist state!

I too think the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections were shams, and I am ashamed of what this administration has done during the last 6 years. I've been here on DU for quite a while now because I no longer feel the GOP is adhering to true Republican values, and that I have much more in common here on DU than within my own party.

If it helps, more and more of my acquiantances on the right are coming around to this point of view. This administrations powerbase is now truly a house of cards set to tumble.

I don't remember any mainstream republicans who would have interfered in the Terri Schiavo
case, what we have is a bunch that have been recruited by Rove to fill the ranks of the
Republican party. You must have values, the only values this current crop has consists
in trying to make their own profit while everyone else suffers. This is not representative
government in any shape or form. That's why there has been so much wrong since 2000.
I remember Ike, people liked him, thought he was fair. I am a Democrat, but I am sick of
pork barrel spending. I want a balanced budget, and I want a real look into the current
prescription drug plan. Can we afford this, if we have to scale it back do it. If we
have to negotiate and buy in bulk to bring the cost down. Do it. I do not believe that
the young Americans growing up should be stuck with a staggering bill from GWB and his crew.

Welcome.I have friends whom I respect and admire who always considered themselves Republican -mostly because they believed in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets and limited government oversight and intrusion into personal realms. The spending and deficits got to some of them and Schiavo also got to many of them bigtime because all of us face sick and dying family situations and DO NOT want Bill Frist making diagnoses and decisions for us. I hope MORE of your friends come around and that we can discuss our differences and convergences with mutual respect.

Call me an early adopter, I guess.