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StellaBlue

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:30 PM
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Poll question: What kind of liberal are you?

Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 03:33 PM by StellaBlue

Just curious.

Please pick the term you MOST identify with, and only choose 'Combination' if absolutely necessary to describe your position.

For instance, I am a Green-leaning Libertarian Socialist/Anarchist. ha For the purposes of this poll, I chose Anarchist, because that's where I feel my idealism-driven home is, on a purely philosophical level. In reality, and mostly in voting, I am a Yellow Dog Democrat.

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libnnc

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:32 PM
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1. just angry

that's all.

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SammyBlue

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Sat Jun-03-06 06:46 PM
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42. Same here. . .but I'm also a combination

Fiscal Socialist, Social libertarian.

Meaning, There should be nationalize health care, but the government needs to keep the fuck out of my, yours and everyone else's bedroom!

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ixion

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:33 PM
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2. Green-leaning Libertarian

nice to know I'm not the only one. :hi:

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New Earth

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:58 PM
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30. make that 3

:hi:

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MADem

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:34 PM
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3. A Ted Kennedy Democrat n/t

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StellaBlue

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:34 PM
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4. I would classify that as Yellow Dog

Fo sho

:D

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Dogmudgeon

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:42 PM
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8. Shouldn't that be "Blue Dog"?

"Yellow Dog" refers to anti-unionists and is an old, very derogatory term that the Wobblies introduced.

The DLC would be somewhat yellow doggish; the GOP would be strongly so.

Blue Dogs, IIRC, are solidarity-promoting Liberal Democrats.

--p!

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yngliberal

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:57 PM
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16. In Congress...

The Blue Dog Democrats are the conservative Democrats.

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peacebaby3

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Sat Jun-03-06 07:59 PM
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43. I don't know how it happened but "Yellow Dog" was misunderstood and took

on another meaning. A "Yellow Dog Democrat" comes from the Reconstruction period of the South. Southerners used to say they would vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for a republican, but that was the Republican party of Lincoln so this saying really comes from conservatives, not from Liberals. I don't know what happened but a lot of people who consider themselves very liberal say they are "yellow dog democrats." In the South, a "Yellow Dog Democrat" is more conservative and they are also basically gone as well. Very few left around here. They are now mostly repukes.

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MADem

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Sat Jun-03-06 05:07 PM
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32. Well, yellow dogs are fiercely loyal to the party, but Ted, as we all

recall, didn't vote with the party on the matter of the war. He cares about working folks, the poor, the elderly, the helpless, and the safety and security of the nation. When his conscience tells him to go the other way, he does.

He's a wise old lion, our Ted.

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cornermouse

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:39 PM
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5. Fiscal conservative, social liberal.

I have no idea where that fits in on your scale.

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Finder

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:43 PM
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10. Sounds libertarian to me. n/t.

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cornermouse

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:38 PM
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27. From what I've seen written by libertarians, I'm more liberal on social

issues than they are. I think we need to pay our bills. That includes social security, medicare and medicaid for starters.

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Finder

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Sat Jun-03-06 05:22 PM
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33. that would be fiscal not social. n/t

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PWRinNY

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:40 PM
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6. Combination

Socially liberal, environmentally active (green) - I believe we do not have the right to exist at the expense of other species - that we need to be responsible for the earth and all that inhabit her. Fiscally responsible - meaning spending trillions on illegal wars is wrong, and spending billions on healthcare, children, and elderly, and programs to lift up the poor so they can make lives for themselves is right. I believe in holding corporations responsible and accountable. And I'm extremely committed to the separation of church and state. If people want to judge others' social lives on moral grounds, let them go to church, but keep religion and government pure and free of each other. And keep the government out of my damn personal life. All in all, I don't know what label I give myself. But I believe in progress, not regression and oppression.

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fasttense

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:49 PM
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12. PWRinNY, I don't know what label to give you but.....

You just described my point of view. And Welcome if I haven't said it before.

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PWRinNY

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:55 PM
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13. Thanks :-)

I'm in great company then!

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zalinda

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:02 PM
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18. My view too !!!!!! n/t

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conflictgirl

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:16 PM
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23. Wow. You just articulated exactly what I believe too.

I voted socialist but that label feels too narrow for what I believe.

What's your stance on foreign policy? I think we should help other nations, but only to the extent that we're still able to help our own people, and that includes when war should be fought too.

We should start a new party based on those values you listed, because I suspect there are a lot of us who share them. Or maybe we should try to transform the Democratic party so that it reflects those values? :think:

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PWRinNY

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:24 PM
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25. To answer your question

I agree with you completely on how much to help other nations. As the richest nation, I think it's our moral responsibility to help others in need, however, we can't have our own children starving to death, nor can we have our own grandparents dying because they can't afford life-saving medication. I believe we, as America, need to take care of Americans first and foremost, while also helping other governments of the world take care of their own people. And war, well, war should only ever be a very last option, unlike shrubbie's illegal war. I believe that when you are a good neighbor, honest, open, a benefactor, war should not ever even be necessary. And if the US was honest and truthful and trustworthy, what a leader we could be in inspiring other nations to follow - war could literally become extinct.

As for the Democratic Party - I think there's still hope. We just need more people to care, and work to transform the Party into one we can trust.

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silvertip

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Sat Jun-03-06 05:46 PM
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36. Re-Combination!

   I agree with you about 99.9% I am also very militant about
separation of church and state, also I want the govt. and the
church to keep their nose the hell out of my bedroom, What
goes on there is no ones business except that of me and my
pardner and or pardners as the case may be, if I want to screw
the donkey and obtain its knowing consent then its between me
and the donkey and everyone else can kiss my ass. I believe
that we should have some form of universal health care funded
by our tax dollars. As for war I am against any war that is
not totally proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to be
absolutely necessary to prevent this country being over ran by
an enemy force. If and when that war becomes necessary it
should be fought by every one in this country without any
bullshit about  being defered for school or any of that other
crap,such as I'm married snd have kids, or my job is necessary
for the war effort, if so some one else can do that job for a
year and if you happen to make it back then you can have your
old job back.I do mean every one rich,poor, white black, red,
yellow or any point in between, if you feel that you are too
rich and you should have some special deal then you may have
your rifle gold plated at your own expence.NOW what does that
make me other than being fed up with all of the bullshit?

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Minnesota Libra

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:40 PM
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7. I guess I'm pretty much a "centrist" in some ways because...............

....I'm definitely a lifelong Democrat who didn't even vote for the effing actor from California either time. Yes, I am right leaning on a few (very few) issues but wouldn't in a million years qualify as one of those:puke: neocon/fundie types. :banghead: God forbid!!!:spank:

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RebelOne

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Tue Jun-06-06 04:22 PM
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62. Yes, I believe I am in that classification also.

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silverweb

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:42 PM
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9. Combination

Fiscal socialist and social libertarian. I strongly believe these can be fully reconciled and compatible.

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Finder

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:45 PM
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11. Could you expand a bit...

since I see those two philosophies at odds. In what way do you see them as compatible?

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silverweb

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Sun Jun-04-06 02:56 AM
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54. See PWRinNY's posts.

They have expanded quite eloquently for me.

:)

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5thGenDemocrat

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:56 PM
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14. I'm a Lyndon Johnson "Great Society" liberal

Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 04:00 PM by 5thGenDemocrat

Vietnam notwithstanding, LBJ got us Medicare, Medicaid, Clean Air and Water, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Head Start, Aid to the Cities -- legislation that makes America better, or would if the Repukes hadn't been dismantling all of it these past 26 years. Like LBJ, I don't much trust commies and I like a shot of good bourbon better than a glass of Evian water, too.
I'm proud to keep his avatar next to my posts.
John
It is now 13 days, 19 hours and three minutes to FUNDAY. Can't speak to the bourbon, but there'll be a couple of kegs here in case anyone's thirsty.

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Stinky The Clown

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:57 PM
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15. I voted 'populist' ...... but like any thinking person

On any given topic I might be all over the spectrum.

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Charlie Brown

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Sat Jun-03-06 03:59 PM
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17. I'm also a combination

Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 04:03 PM by Charlie Brown

I'm pretty liberal on "fiscal" issues, but am a staunch libertarian on free speech and behavior (I don't support smoking bans or criminalizing hate speech, which seem to have been embraced by many on the left).

I also am liberal for religious reasons, in that I believe in humanitarianism and compassion.

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StellaBlue

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:06 PM
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19. I totally agree re: hate crimes

It makes it legally (and, following, socially) "worse" to harm/kill certain classes of people. IMHO, that is not equality. If you kill someone, they died the same whether they were black or white and whether you did it out of hate or because you're a crackhead. IMHO, one is not "more wrong" than the other. As for hate speech... don't get me started on the UK drive to outlaw anti-religious speech that can be considered "an incitement to violence". It seems to me the European multicultural project is moving toward a frightening place where traditional European culture is mocked openly (as it should be, IMHO) while immigrant cultures, and espcially Muslim culture, is untouchable on grounds of "bigotry". I'm not bigoted in thinking that Islam is ignorant and dangerous. I think the same thing about all other religions, too.

/rant

I am still undecided on the smoking ban. I don't smoke myself, and I don't think others have the right to compromise my health by blowing smoke in my face while I am simply out trying to enjoy a meal. However, I am starting to get annoyed by half m party having to regularly go outside to have a break on a night out! haha

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rhymeinreason

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:07 PM
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20. Here's the answer that makes my rightie NC relatives choke on their coffee

I'm a tree-hugging, Prius-driving, Boxer-voting feminist!

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robinlynne

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:13 PM
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21. I think I just lied on my response.

funny thing. hard to choose, obviously, but I was going to put socialist, and instead put populist because I thought, well if an "outsider' were looking at the results it would be better if the results were more evenly divided. all that self-censorship in a split second. reactive....
sorry.

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Catchawave

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:13 PM
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22. DLC Centrist....

..win elections :hi:

..and ducking :evilgrin:

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sui generis

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:17 PM
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24. didn't work the last two times

Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 05:14 PM by sui generis

..and ducking :evilgrin:

too bad elections aren't like horseshoes - the next DLC offering would be a "shoe in". Alas, I don't believe the third time will be the charm either.

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Asgaya Dihi

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:26 PM
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26. Results oriented

I tend to be pretty sympathetic to liberal or progressive ideas in particular but somewhat disappointed with past results when they had the chance to change things. With the way the supposed meanings of things drift over the years I've shifted more toward a results based attitude rather than trying to define myself according to others titles. I'll look at anyone who's working on the idea and go with what seems to work best, and that tends to cross ideological lines sometimes.

If they offer good results then what's in a name? If they don't then calling themselves a particular type of liberal doesn't help any. It's the results I want, not the name of the people offering the solution.

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Fuzz

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:53 PM
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28. Socialtarian

libertarian with a socialist bent

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CrownPrinceBandar

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Sat Jun-03-06 04:57 PM
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29. Green-leaning populist.

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AtomicKitten

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Sat Jun-03-06 05:03 PM
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31. I'm down with that

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tibbir

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Sat Jun-03-06 05:25 PM
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34. Socialist is probably the closest.

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Odin2005

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Sat Jun-03-06 05:25 PM
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35. Libertarian Socialist, that's not a contradiction

Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 05:26 PM by Odin2005

the anti-government right-wingers stole the term "libertarian," originally it ment a type of non-Marxist socialism.

I am Anti-Capitalist and Anti-Big Government. Big Government is a sign that local communities and organizations are not functioning properly, in our case because of the Corporatists supporting all this McMansion Yuppie crap.

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Selatius

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Sat Jun-03-06 08:03 PM
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44. Fellow libertarian socialist here to back you up

Local control is essential to the functioning of a free society, but if power becomes too concentrated at the top of the pyramid, you've just created a scenario where power falls into the hands of a small cabal of people who may not care what people think. This is why the Russian Revolution failed so horrifically and why so many people where put to death for questioning authority.

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gizmo1979

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Sat Jun-03-06 05:53 PM
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37. I'm a good democrat.

I'm not sure what half of those mean,I do know that I believe in helping the poor caring for the sick and elderly and giving the American worker a fair shake.Plus keep religion the heck away from government.What does that make me.

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AspenRose

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Sat Jun-03-06 06:19 PM
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39. Me either!

(Brief definitions would be helpful)

I probably lean toward Yellow Dog though

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NoSunWithoutShadow

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Sat Jun-03-06 06:02 PM
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38. Very Green and Very Angry!

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scoey1953

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Sat Jun-03-06 06:30 PM
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40. I guess I am a "HOWARD DEAN" democrat...

Edited on Sat Jun-03-06 06:37 PM by scoey1953

I have always liked what Howard Dean had to say...I don't know if I fit any of the
other catagories..(Christian Democrat? I thought we were reaching for separation of
church and state here..) Are there not Jewish Democrats? Muslim Democrats? Buddhist
Democrats? (Shinto Democrats?) Hindu Democrats, Agnostic Democrats, and Atheist Democrats..??

I believe what was on the Dean platform to be in the best interest of my country. Dean was the first guy who inspired me to get off my duff and get out there and volunteer. LABEL me a
Dean Democrat if you want...I will accept it as a compliment.

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PassingFair

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Sat Jun-03-06 08:08 PM
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47. Seconded. I am a proud Dean Democrat.

I like being told the truth.

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undeterred

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Sat Jun-03-06 06:31 PM
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41. I'm a Wellstone Progressive

I don't know which of the above its closest to.

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mvd

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Tue Jun-06-06 04:56 PM
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64. That would probably be the closest..

description for me.

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Raine

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Sat Jun-03-06 08:03 PM
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45. Yellow-dog

hardcore.

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meow2u3

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Sat Jun-03-06 08:08 PM
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46. Fiscal liberal, social moderate-conservative = paleoliberal Casey Dem

I don't go for the anything-goes left-libertarianism that the media call liberal. I think the true liberals, the Old Left, aka paleoliberals, existed before I was born--and when I was a kid: FDR, Truman, JFK, RFK, Johnson (except for his wrongheaded foreign policy).

Today's progressives are products either of the New Left which originated in the late 1960's, or the neoliberal New Dems, a 1990's animal. I'm not one of those last two liberal types, which now dominate the Democratic leadership positions. You can call me a paleoliberal because I identify with Bob Casey, Paul Kanjorski, Oberstar, and other consistent-life liberals, who may sound conservative on the surface, but deep down are lefties.

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Phoonzang

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Sat Jun-03-06 08:19 PM
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48. Progressive Liberal with Technocratic leanings.

I know the North American Technate will never happen, but that's no reason not to hope. I'm very liberal on social issues as for financial...I guess technocracy is kind of off the political spectrum....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocratic_movement

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Sat Jun-03-06 08:23 PM
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49. No frills Anarchist. To hell with the bosses.

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StellaBlue

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Sat Jun-03-06 08:28 PM
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50. Woo-woo!

:hi: again

LIVE FREE OR DIE

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StellaBlue

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Sat Jun-03-06 09:59 PM
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51. Saturday night kick baby!

Oh, and question authority.

:D

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Ksec

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Sat Jun-03-06 10:07 PM
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52. I'd say Populist or Labor...

If there is such a thing.

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solinvictus

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Sat Jun-03-06 10:22 PM
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53. Populist...

I'm pretty conservative on most fiscal matters, but I'm pro-labor and big on all of our civil liberties (pro-choice, pro-gun, etc.).

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Random_Australian

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Sun Jun-04-06 03:19 AM
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55. Other: Statistician would be the closest thing I can think of.

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Swamp Rat

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Sun Jun-04-06 03:21 AM
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56. *Flaming*

:D

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rucky

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Sun Jun-04-06 03:22 AM
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57. Birkenstock-wearin, latte-drinkin', pot smokin', gee-tar playin'...

Hide yer daughters!

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Hippo_Tron

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Sun Jun-04-06 03:34 AM
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58. Social libertarian, Fiscal liberal

On foreign policy I would say that I subscribe to the Jimmy Carter school. I don't know what term you would use for that exactly.

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Pushed To The Left

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Sun Jun-04-06 04:05 AM
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59. I'm a combination, but I chose Yellow Dog

I've become a very loyal Democratic voter due to my desire to defeat the radical right.

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mvd

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Tue Jun-06-06 04:14 PM
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60. Populist?

I'm not sure I'm quite socialist, but I do support a 50% federal tax rate for people earning over $500,000 a year - plus any state and local taxes. People earning $250,000 but less than $500,000 should pay at least a 40% federal tax rate. I'm not for raising taxes on the middle class unless necessary for something like universal health care.

I'm pro-choice, anti-death penalty, pro-equality under the law for gays (yes, that can mean gay marriage,) pro-peace except for the most dire circumstances, think the public schools should be well-funded, in favor of gun licensing and registration for guns used in crimes, pro-separation of church and state (and I'm spiritual,) pro-union unless they get corrupt, for single-payer health care...

So I'd say I'm definitely on the left, proudly. But for common sense.

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mvd

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Tue Jun-06-06 04:18 PM
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61. Oh, and anti-Patriot Act!

Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 04:25 PM by mvd

I'm big on protecting our civil liberties. That goes against both the fascism of Bush and communism..

And I'm definitely for reasonable regulation to protect our environment and workers.

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Orsino

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Tue Jun-06-06 04:23 PM
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63. Democratic Socialist.

Go ahead and make your millions, but you'll do it according to strict regulation, and won't be able to purchase the social safety net.

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LiberalPartisan

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Tue Jun-06-06 04:58 PM
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65. Think Allard Loweinstein

Now there was a Liberal!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allard_Lowenstein

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