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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:43 AM
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SF Chronicle: "Pentagon to Drop Basic Geneva Rule"
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 10:49 AM by Yollam
WTF? Apparently, George Bush, Dick Cheney & Donald Rumsfeld are now formed of a pentagonal shape, unless this article is trying to absolve them of any responsibility for what is OBVIOUSLY THEIR DECISION...


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/05/MNGSVJ8H171.DTL


PENTAGON TO DROP BASIC GENEVA RULE
But State Department objects to removal of protection from degrading treatment
Julian E. Barnes, Los Angeles Times
Monday, June 5, 2006


Washington -- The Pentagon has decided to omit from new detainee policies a key tenet of the Geneva Convention that bans "humiliating and degrading treatment," according to military officials, a step that would mark a potentially permanent shift away from strict adherence to international human rights standards.

The decision culminates a lengthy debate within the Department of Defense, but will not become final until the Pentagon makes new guidelines public, a step that has been delayed.

However, the State Department fiercely opposes the military's decision to exclude Geneva Convention protections and has been pushing for the Pentagon and White House to reconsider, Defense officials acknowledged.

For more than a year, the Pentagon has been redrawing policies on detainees and interrogation, and intends to issue a new Army Field Manual, which, along with accompanying directives, represents core instructions to U.S. soldiers worldwide.



Sing it Lee!



"and I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm freeeee..."
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:48 AM
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1. Ugly evil fools, fire the pentagon, they're degenerate
"humiliating and degrading treatment" is the new america. It is the standard
of the new bankrupt society, where nothing is left to defend.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:51 AM
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2. Fortunately for the neocons, the UN recognize the Geneva Conventions
Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Carbone, Miller and Sanchez won't be tortured or humiliated when they are tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Not only that, but they will get a fair trail, unlike Guantánamo detainees facing a military commission.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:59 AM
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7. Then we really should hold a good old star chamber trial instead
fuck you agent mike.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:52 AM
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3. Shouldn't the UN have kicked us out by now?
and declared us a rogue nation in violation of international law? Waiting for it.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:55 AM
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4. declaration of rogue nation status.
the un should consider moving its headquarters to someplace civilized.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:56 AM
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6. No, the UN does not expel rogue states
However, I think the convening of a special tribunal for war crimes in Iraq and crimes against humnity arising out of the war on terror is long overdue.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 10:55 AM
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5. You're welcome, all of you...
Edited on Mon Jun-05-06 10:56 AM by Yollam
For the gift of a shirtless Lee Greenwood playing pocket pool...

:evilgrin:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:34 PM
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11. That photo is very disturbing. For so many reasons.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 11:01 AM
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8. well that just about does it
every drop of blood
every tear shed
every life for ever changed
everyone who still carrys the scars
everyone who has died in honor

it has been all in vain......

we have become our enemies
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 11:37 AM
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9. Remember how Dubya and Rumsfeld said that American POWs better be treated
in accordance with the rules of the Geneva Convention back in 2003? Pretty ironic.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:32 PM
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10. what a way to endanger our troops ....asshats
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:45 PM
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12. I thought Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld had basically rejected the entire
Geneva Conventions, along with any and all other international law. Or at least said that these things don't apply to the U.S.

I don't know why they even bother pretending to be lawful in any way. They really should just declare that the U.S. is on a mission from God, and has the God-given mandate to torture/kill/eradicate anyone who stands between them and their oil. Errr, I mean stands against "freedom"...or something. Oh wait, they sort of did that already, didn't they....
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:12 PM
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13. The good news coming out of Iraq
Three years ago we heard stories of torture rooms. The President and his administration were instructing the media to pump up the numerous Saddam bad guy images. 2,400 + American and 30,000-100,000 Iraqi deaths later, the stories of torture rooms will now be about our own.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:18 PM
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14. The reverberating Karma someday is really gonna hurt.
Bush* & Gang are truly the Evil Ones.

Gawdalmighty look (or don't) at that promo pic! Lee Slimeball Greenwood.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:19 PM
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15. You would think that after WW2 things would get better
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:37 PM
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16. New, illustrated revised field manual:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:38 PM
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17. We've just officially joined the club of rogue states.
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 07:11 PM
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18. They haven't been following it anyway. Just making the policy fit
the procedures already being followed. They should have just wiped it out after the Gonzales memo, anyway.

Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, etc, etc. If the administration doesn't pay for the errors, it doesn't give a shit. Let the "bad apples" pay the price for following orders that came from the administration.

:mad:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 01:07 AM
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19. Words fail.
Another stomach turner...and yet another totally off the MSM radar.
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 01:27 AM
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20. Geneva? That's so OLD EUROPE ...
The Geneva Conventions are pre-9/11, a quaint phrase from the past, like "Miranda Rights."

Next thing you know, they'll be detaining people for years on end without charge and wiretapping Americans without probable cause and a court warrant.

Oh wait ...
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