DUers, please. Let's hope that Zargawi is really dead and that our

troops can come home now.

If it is true about Zargawi can Osama be far behind? If this is not true, there will be a new video soon, but I choose to believe that it is true. 25 million and the promise of leaving the ME would make many turn in their own mother.

Sad but true.

...the Iraqui oilfields have embraced democracy. Until every single derreck and rig has been given its inalienable right to vote, our brave men and women will be there to defend them.

I wish it meant the violence would slow down but I doubt it.

as long as they remain. Zargawi is not the main cause of violence in Iraq, it is the presence of an occupying military.

Our troops must come back now.

I distinctly remember from CSpan an argument whereas they inserted into a spending bill in 2003 TWO BILLION DOLLARS for the embassy. Got to check Google.

-- the largest embassy in world history
-- the only building project in Iraq on-time and on-budget
-- a bomb-proof super-bunker with a 15-ft thick perimeter wall
-- 21 buildings on 104 acres, the size of 80 football fields
-- wired for state-of-the-art communications and surveillance
-- "extraordinary" security measures
-- Congress was told that the cost is $592 million
-- impressive residences for the Ambassador and his deputy, and six posh apartments for senior officials
-- a water-treatment plant and power generator (to provide basic services not yet restored to pre-invasion levels for Iraqis)
-- two huge blocks of offices for 8,000 US staff workers
-- the biggest swimming pool in Iraq
-- a well-equipped gym
-- tennis courts
-- movie theater
-- restaurants serving US food chain favorites
-- a "swish" American Club for evening social functions


http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/AmerPalace_2.htm

If they say a million, it's really a billion.

This i a permanent occupation

Which is why the Bushreich is building a fortified base of operations... er, embassy the size of Cincinnati.

You are right that there is no intention for US troops to leave, but that doesn't mean we can't make it happen.

I asked my Congressman to sign a resolution to leave Iraq "someday." He said no. We will never leave Iraq while the GOP is in power.

Remember when * said it would be up to the next administration to take care of that?

Besides, we're building an embassy and 14 permanent military bases there. And, of vourse, we can't let go of that oil.

The numbers of troops in Iraq are not being lessened, but in fact more are being deployed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060607/pl_nm/iraq_usa_troops_dc_2

Delayed US Army brigade may go to Iraq after all



By Will Dunham Wed Jun 7, 1:17 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has told a Germany-based Army brigade to make initial preparations for a deployment to
Iraq, defense officials said on Wednesday, in a sign that an imminent reduction in forces may be unlikely.

Pentagon leaders will make a final decision later this week on sending the roughly 3,500 soldiers from their base in Schweinfurt, Germany, to Iraq, said the defense officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The military had put the move on hold a month ago, but it has now told the unit to get ready to ship its equipment for the possible deployment, the officials said.

The move suggests a delay in any reduction of the 131,000-strong U.S. force in Iraq, although Pentagon officials have not announced decisions on future force levels.

>more

By the way, as of 6:15 this morning there have been 2,484 American casualties in Iraq since the inception of this hideous weenus and company adventure. 17,869 soldiers have been wounded, and "The Pentagon is refusing to release data on how many soldiers have suffered brain injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan. It says disclosing the results would put the lives of those fighting at risk."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-06-07-brain-injuries_x.htm


I wish you were right, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon.:cry:

on al-Zarqawi An important step, but not the end

I thought this was a good read.



http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.zarqawi.amanpour/index.html

Islamist expert Yasser al-Sirry

"Zarqawi's death, if confirmed, will have little effect on the jihad in Iraq."

"He made clear several times that he is the leader of one faction that is fighting under the Mujahideen Council umbrella. I expect no let up in the jihad, maybe even an escalation as his followers wage retribution killings."

Sirry said he would only be sure of Zarqawi's death when Al Qaeda announced it: "They will not shy from announcing it, after all, he is a martyr."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/zarqawi.reax.reut/index.html

I wish it were otherwise, but I don't see Bush being sensible in my lifetime.

However I did so with bitter sarcasm. Do you really believe that the resistence to foreign occupation in Iraq is the work of one man? That Zarqawi's death, if it is even real, if Zarqawi is even real, will make any noticable difference in the situation there?

on the ground in Iraq. It certainly doesn't mean the troops will be coming home.

That Al Zarqawi was killed on 6-6-06.

Unlike in a game of chess, you normally don't win a war
simply by assassinating the enemy's leader; there's usually
plenty of command-and-control intelligence below the leader
that's doing the real work*.

And this is especially true of organizations like Al Qaeda.
While they have a great spokesterrorist in bin Laden, they
are actually organized to be very non-hierarchical, with
individual terrorist cells all over the world simply sharing
the "branding" and "marketing" provided by the home office.

Killing Zarqawi means little in the grand scheme of things
except that they can now start celling, err, selling "Zarqawi
Martyrdom Memorial" badges to the suicice bombers.

Tesha

*Look at us: Do you really suppose that El Maximus Bushimus
is critical to the operation of the people running this
country or our war? If he continues being a pain in the
ass dufus to the folks running the real program, don't you
think a point will be reached when he'll be killed in some
highly-dramatic way "by our enemies"?

against the US led invasion...

Zarqawi is a side-show....

Unfortunately...

Until the US leaves 100% the war goes on...

I'm not counting on a pull-out anytime soon.

The fighting will continue, and our troops will be staying. This isn't a war about fighting terrorism friend, this is an imperial war for oil. There are only two things that will bring the troops home, either sucking all the oil out of Iraq, or an overwhelming wave of public outrage ala Vietnam. Until then, we're staying in Iraq, and will be going into Iran relatively soon.

After all, it's the PNAC plan.