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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:39 PM
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After Bush Administration, should US declare bankruptcy ?
Because, otherwise, our children and grandchildren will be burdened with taxes and debt for decades to come. That debt will be at the expense of any progress or any infrastructure development. It is a noose around the neck of young Americans more than anyone else.

But, China, Japan, Germany, and others are holding this debt over our heads. What would happen if we declared that we were not going to pay it? Period. Too bad. You should not have loaned it to us. We had morons in charge of our government and you knew that when you loaned us the money . But we know that is not going to happen. We will have to bite the bullet. However, it was a nice thought.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:41 PM
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1. I am very afraid
that whomever is president on Inauguration Day, 2009, will be appearing in front of the nation to say that we are, officially, broke.

I hope I just have an overactive imagination.

Julie
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:42 PM
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2. I'll be interested to hear others answers. Has any country ever declared
bankruptecy before?
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:53 PM
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7. Sure, it happens all the time.
When a country decides it cannot meet it's debt obligations, it first tries to restructure the debt load. If that fails it defaults--which is in essence declaring bankruptcy.

The most recent big case, I think was Argentina in late 2001.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:43 PM
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3. Why don't we just give our creditors Utah, Idaho and Wyoming?
We can throw in the Republicans who live there as house servants and yard boys.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:00 PM
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11. Give them Texas.
I'm sick and tired of Texas.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:25 PM
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16. You couldn't give that place away. n/t
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:43 PM
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19. self delete
Edited on Sun Jun-11-06 06:47 PM by TransitJohn
reread your post..you said the republicans here.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:47 PM
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4. readjust the debt to a realistic exchange rate, threaten to default if
they dont allow our stuff to sell there fairly.. if they start a trade war go bankrupt..

we need to have more than the present 2 shoe factories first though.. we have no infrastructure to survive a trade war
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:52 PM
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21. As long as we don't go the other way and reach the Shoe Event Horizon.
*Random Hitchhiker's Guide remark*
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:50 PM
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5. Absolutely NOT!!!!!!
A default by the US would create a worldwide economic meltdown. I mean DEPRESSION. The value of the dollar would fall to nothing. Other countries that have a large trade revenue from the US would have their economies collapse and there would be a ripple effect.

The initial volley in the Great Depression was when Churchill re-instated the gold standard in England after WWI. That created the economic calamity in England followed by trade problems around the world. A US bankruptcy would be worse.

Although our debt situation is bad and will lead to economic problems, it is not so bad that we need to default. The United States still possesses trillions in assets and has an economy that can generate an additional trillion per year in tax revenues. If the will is there, this country can still get its financial house in order. Of course if the sheeple keep electing Repugs to the White House and congress, we're pretty much toast anyway.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:56 PM
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10. we should collect all the moneys owed by the US from the HALLIBURTON, THE
CARLYLE GROUP, THE KELLOG, ROOT AND BROWN PEOPLE, THE BLACKWATER MERCENARIES, AND THE BUSH FAMILY funds. we could wipe out our national debt free and clear in just one day.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:19 PM
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15. That, and it's EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN by, um, a lil document...
... called the CONSTITUTION.

Does anyone care about that old ragged document any more?

Sheesh.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:53 PM
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22. I don't recall that, which article and section?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 07:07 PM
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23. Amendment 14, Sec.4.
"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."


It's not up for question, folks - we borrowed it, we gotta pay it back.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 07:16 PM
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24. We can amend the Constitution or just have the President sign a ...
signing statement saying we will no longer abide by that little rule...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 07:18 PM
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25. LOL - when does gw get to sign the Constitution?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:48 PM
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20. Absolutely agree.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:53 PM
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6. wouldn't that cause china, japan and germany to enter into a war against
us?--and i heard it on the (miami) television yesterday that we were duped by the bush government and that the dubai people (the saudis) still own our ports, despite the fact that there was a pony and dog show of protestation under which the bush administration seemed to rescind its contract with the saudis for the operation of our ports...this was not on a newscast. this was on some political ad asking people to call congress.

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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:54 PM
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8. They'll foreclose, OPEC will stop selling us oil,
And there will be war.


Or, we'll just have a few generations of financial hardship.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 05:55 PM
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9. Only if he wants to get impeached. That's EXPRESSLY forbidden...
... in the Constitution.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:02 PM
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12. Bankruptcy is not the answer.
Creditors have a right to liquidate the assets of bankrupt debtors, so unless you want our creditor nations selling the country in pieces to the highest bidder at auction, its not a good idea to declare bankruptcy.

The argument that our debts aren't valid because we were misled doesn't hold water either. Regardless of whether BushCo gained power by illegal means or not, our defacto acceptance of the regime's leadership for 5.5 years means we accept it as our legitimate government. This is a Representative Democracy (allegedly), so the fact that our representatives accept the Junta means that we do too.

Nope, defaulting on our loans would likely cripple the global economy in the short-term and ensure China's economic dominance in the long term.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:06 PM
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13. Moral or financial? nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:07 PM
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14. We can already declare moral bankruptcy...
I think?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:33 PM
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17. The U.S. should declare itself clinically insane. n/t
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 06:35 PM
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18. THAT must be why Congress passed the bankruptcy bill! n/t
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:00 PM
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26. Just wait
after Bush is thrown out in the street things will come to light that we would have never guessed they might do. But a serious Dem prez will cut off those open ended contracts that the other poster mentioned. Next he will try to recover the money from these corporations owed to the people. Credit card rates will ease down and those in financial trouble will again be able to manage their bills. NAFTA & CAFTA will be looked at closely. The war will be slowly cut off, but when the Soldiers come home jobs will be scarce. Outsourced companies will be taxed at a higher rate. It won't be overnight, but things will get better.
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PWRinNY Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-11-06 08:34 PM
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27. I like the way you think
That's a great scenario. Hope it happens like you wrote. Thanks :)
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