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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:10 PM
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If "The President" won't do what the people want, then why have one?
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 09:11 PM by Philosoraptor
If the president won't follow our will and end this stupid ass war, then why have a goddamned president at all?

What the hell is the president supposed to do if it's not to follow the will of the people?
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:12 PM
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1. Someone has to do the bidding of the rich and corrupt.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:14 PM
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2. How in the world do you expect him to pay for all those defense
contracts and wars? Someone has to be the thief in charge and someone has to pay for it. That's what taxpayers are for. If the tax payers can't see the crap for the toilet that * and his people have put us in, then we get what we deserve. Unfortunately for those of us who see what's going on, we get what we don't deserve.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:14 PM
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3. Hmmmm. Good question.
Does he actually do anything other than play with Barney inbetween state visits?
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:51 PM
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11. Well, he also rubs men's (especially bald men's) heads
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:09 AM
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26. Wheeww. That's a relief.
I had at first thought that he wasn't busy. I guess that IS hard work after all...

:)
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:15 PM
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4. The Democrats need to be asking that very question...
They need to go to the Constitution which is not a bipartisan artificat....they need to go to it every time....

This administration promotes ignorance of the constituion, the law and the violation of Americans civil rights....because they deem * a dictator....Treason....against the United States of America

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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:15 PM
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5. Well, we kinda don't have one.
We have a moran that calls himself the president, but he's really more of a dictator/puppet/king.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:16 PM
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7. Yup.
Redstone
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:16 PM
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6. The President is doing EXACTLY what Wall Street and the Large
Military Industrial Complex wants. The Consolidated National Corporate Media are the ideal cheerleaders. They'll poison our brains with Nancy Grace, Jeff Beck's, etc., mindless numbing BUNK on the in-between. ... until we submit! :P :puke:

Remember, Corporations are people too!

Just perhaps Corporations are MORE IMPORTANT that "We The People?"

Especially if we do NOT vote or ensure that OUR VOTES ARE COUNTED. :-) :hi:
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:20 PM
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8. Jeff Beck? That little bastard...
And to think, I used to love his music. :hi:
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:33 PM
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9. Perhaps it's time to abolish the U.S. Presidency?
The question is certainly worth asking. If the office of the President does not serve we, the people, then why do we permit it to continue?

At the very least, we should seriously consider splitting the Head of Government/Executive role off, and incorporating it into Congress, Parliament-style. The Presidency can remain a ceremonial, but essentially worthless Head of State, not unlike France.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:56 PM
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14. The head of the executive branch of government - the president
is charged with making sure that the laws that congress approves/passes are implemented.

Amazing that when I try to google this up, nothing like this comes up....however, after going up the thirteen flights of stairs to the attic and consulting an OLD FASHIONED BOOK....this is what I found.

Time to remember the old adage, "don't believe everything that you read" as well as, don't totally trust/rely on internet sources, anyone can write anything and make it look 'believable'/authoritative.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:45 PM
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10. At this point, I'd settle for a President who...........
can read and speaks in full coherent sentences. :banghead:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:54 PM
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12. Gotta maintain that illusion of democracy somehow, you know
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 09:55 PM
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13. He wasn't elected by the people.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:22 PM
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15. The Constitution of the United States of America
is such an AMAZING document....so progressive in what it allows THE PEOPLE to 'do' and 'develop'.....it's a truly progessive document. No wonder Benjamin Franklin mused, "now if you can only keep it"....because he KNEW that there would be great/powerful forces working to subvert it.

I have to wonder if some of the people today talking against our current "stupid president" aren't working to that end? Yes, America does have an arrogant, repugnant little man at the helm right now, but "don't throw the baby out with the bath-water".....the Constitution is something worth fighting for and worth holding on to.

I'm offended when people talk about 'getting rid of the president' or changing what the constitution meant for the president to be. I'm offended when THIS (or any) president wants more powers than granted to him/her under the Constitution.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:40 PM
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17. It's been turned into the Corporation of the United States of America (nt)
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:39 PM
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16. He's part of the plutocracy...the illusion
... is that there is a Democracy or a Democratic Republic and that the President represents 'we the people'. He doesn't -- and hasn't for a long time, mostly. He represents the rich and powerful. The rest of us can Go to Hell. Of course he can't SAY that...so there's copious propaganda to dress the raping of the common folk up pretty so they'll continue to let it happen.

Can't upset that status quo. Those who benefit most from it won't allow that to happen.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 10:51 PM
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18. Yeah, I know it hasn't worked "lately" the way it's supposed to have
worked....I blame it on too many honest people who can't IMAGINE that there are 'other people out there' who are so totally corrupt/dishonest/and clever that actively work to subvert 'goodness for all'.

I know this sounds naive, but I am not naive....in fact, I've probably seen/know 'too much'....still I find turning towards the money/power ~ it's a very shallow calling, yet so many 'potentially good people' are attracted to its 'siren song', I find it baffling.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:11 PM
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19. ummmm.... Because sometimes "the people" want stupid, self-destructive...
...things?

Like bread and circuses?

The fallacy that a multitude of individuals know better than one individual is just that: a fallacy. As is the fallacy that one individual knows better than a multitude. We fall for whichever fallacy is being marketed to us most effectively at any given time.

Sometimes a good President is one that goes against a view popular with the majority in order to achieve a goal that will result in that majority being better off in the long run. Sometimes a good President is one who listens to a majority, re-weighs the arguments, and changes his mind, giving up a desirable goal in order to promote a more valuable popular unity and strength of community.

Great Presidents can do both of those things.

philosophically,
Bright
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 04:49 AM
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21. kick
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:42 PM
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20. My daughter visited The Palace of Versailles today for the first time
she called me and said, "Mom, no wonder there was a revolution ~ the money, the ENORMITY of this place"....all paid for by the French taxes, while the French people starved.

We don't even get a 'Versailles' to enjoy eventually......we have a hidden Halliburton ~ what has Halliburton ever done for "everyone" to see and enjoy?

Oh wait, the CEO shoots people in the face.
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Biernuts Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:07 AM
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22. Well, philosophically, that's the difference
Between a pure democracy where it's majority rule on everything (the rights of any minority be damned) and a constitutional republic. It could even a parlimentary system where the government falls when it cannot control the legislature (in such a system, Gingrich would have replaced Clinton after the 1994 election)

I can't name ANY politician who does everything I want. I doubt I would be able to either given that you have to compromise.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:08 AM
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23. We don't. We have a dictator without all the fancy trappings.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:48 AM
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24. The problem is the current scope of the Federal Government
The current government has no chance to represent 300 million people with a bogus *2* party system. The Government's job is not to provide for a more perfect union anymore but to ensure that they retain and expand their power and overawe the people with impressive marble buildings and honorific titles.

The United States should be viewed as a transitional phase to a more perfect government, but of course advocating what I just wrote is *terrorism*. We should really break up the union into at least 50 members of a Commonwealth.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:04 AM
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25. I agree with you, but you could say the same for most of the
Congress critters.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:13 AM
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27. Read the Oath Of Office...
... I don't recall it saying a DAMN thing about "what the people want".

For the why of a President. Look up "separation of powers", and read the Federalist Papers and the Constitution. They provide abundant reason for a President beyond the 4th grade level of "do what the people want".
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