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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:12 PM
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Bush admits socialism is a good ideear.
Edited on Wed Jun-14-06 11:42 PM by Clarkie1
I did not listen to the press conference, but heard on the radio driving in my car today he suggested a general fund of oil revenues which would give royalties to all Iraqi citizens. This would give all Iraqis a stake in their government.

I think it's a good idea. Am I wrong?

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:12 PM
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1. That was intelligent
but I can bet his handlers are now telling him George you DID NOT say that
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:15 PM
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4. On the face of it it's so (it pains me to say this some) brilliant in it's
simplicity, I can't help but suspect it was not Bush's idea. I wonder who whispered in his ear.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:13 PM
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2. say, why dont we do that in the USA?? great idea mr. bush nt
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:15 PM
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3. Works for me....can we try it here as well?
Sounds like socialism.

What's up with the chimp?
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:17 PM
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6. Indeed, what is up with the chimp. He's an enigma wrapped in a puzzle
cloaked in a mystery (Winston Churchill's definition of the Soviet Union).

It's rather maddening.

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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:33 PM
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22. Cloaked? No Way!!
A cloak is clothes. We already know the Chimperor HAS NO CLOTHES!!
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:44 PM
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28. You are right...it is not a perfect analogy.
Just something I heard a talk-show host refer to on the radio today.
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:46 PM
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30. I Recognized It, Though
Churchill's "Iron Curtain" Speech.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:21 PM
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11. Exactly, let's try it here and see if it works
About time the workers rather than world corporatists see some of the profits...Look at Alaska.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:45 PM
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29. The talk show host cited Alaska as an example of this kind of thing. nt
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:17 PM
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5. We are involved in an export of socialism. Is that why we don't
have any at home?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:37 PM
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26. Prolly for the same reason we can't have freedom & democracy here
:shrug:
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:18 PM
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7. I think we should get some of the oil
revenues sucked out of the earth here in the U.S.
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:19 PM
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8. Isn't saying that a bannable offense?
* said something sensible???

Just kidding...thought it was a funny title.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:23 PM
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13. It may get me some flames (putting on suit).
Thankfully, this is not Free Republic. And isn't that an important difference between those on the left and those on the right? We on the left value value reason, while they value blind obedience to their sacred dogma.

That's why Democrats are the only party that can bring the country together. We value civil discourse, right? Or am I just rambling?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:27 PM
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18. Can't you make that decision for yourself? hmmm.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:24 PM
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15. Bush admits Socialism is sensible
could be the alternative title. And yes, they could pay us back with their oil revenues as this administration said. Oh, this administration lied again. Plus, Iraq didn't exactly invite us there, be a threat to us, or anything else.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:35 PM
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24. I like your title better.
And that's a good point about them paying us back with the oil revenues, as the administration said. You are right about that, but that this point I think it might benefit us more if the money went to every Iraqi citizen. It's not in the best interests of the United States for Iraq to be a failed state. That should not be a partisan issue.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:20 PM
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9. It's their government, their decision
These kinds of things were suggested 3 years ago, oh no, it all had to be privatized.

They know the right sound bytes to sound rational, they just never implement what they say they support. Why do people continue to fall for their bait and switch.

They're like the worst abusive shithead boy/girlfriend you've ever had. You have to come to the day where you recognize they're just completely worthless and never believe another word out of their mouth ever again.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:26 PM
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16. Yeah, I had one of those boyfriends!
Good learning experience. Only do it once.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:40 PM
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27. Yes it's their decision ultimately, but we have leverage.
We ought to use that leverage to encourge them in this socialist proposal. That may be exactly what is needed in Iraq: a new socialism that makes everyone dependent on the central government. I'm not saying it will work, just saying it's not necessarily guaranteed to fail.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:51 PM
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31. I thought he was promoting capitalist democracy???
It's bullshit and I refuse to pretend that anything this administration has to say is anything more than offering a 2 year old an ice cream if they're quiet in the car. They'll say anything until the day after the November election and I'm not playing.

There were plenty of good economic and diplomatic ideas presented over the last 3 years. Bush had no interest in it then, he's got no interest in it now. Iraq belongs to the Iraqis and the only proposals they are going to respond to are proposals that come from their own government and others in their region. We need to shut up and butt out. They couldn't possibly do a worse governance job than we have. It's like when your kids get their first apartment, you give them a few months to get on their feet and then let them know they're on their own, with a deadline if necessary. We can't make these decisions for them or use any leverage, otherwise they will never gain the respect they need from their own people in order to govern independently.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:21 PM
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10. You're right it is a good idea....but it will never fucking happen.
Not with these fascists running the show....
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:22 PM
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12. He didn't say it....
the puppeteers behind all of this crap had him say it. It will all be a mute point when election season is over.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:31 PM
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20. I also suspect it was not his own idea.
I don't know why you would assume that it will be a mute point when election season is over. Do you mean a mute point for the Iraqis, or a mute point for the Republican Party?

I'm asking myself the question today if it is truly impossible for Iraq to better off a year from now, or even months from now, thann it is today. I don't have the answers yet, but I sense things are changing. If things don't get better soon, they never will. I find myself agreeing more than ever today with Clark that the window is closing fast, but not yet shut. We and the Iraqis can do better than an F, I think. It's dangerous for Democrats to want Iraq to fail. We might be more reasoned and not wildly optimistic about the prospects for any kind of success, but we aren't fortune tellers either. Maybe the Iraqis can get along, especially if they are getting those royalties regardless if they are Sunni, Shia, or Kurd and all have a stake in the government. Is even considering the possibility there might be the slimest of chances for them to work together to achieve a stable government intellectual treason? Or, am I just rambling again? I have more questions than answers.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:23 PM
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14. Everybody here acts like Bush is a man of his word. Don't you
think he would lie to the Iraqis just to get what he wants, then stab them in the back like he does to us?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:30 PM
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19. And like he's doing to our military
Very few here think W is anything but a world corporatist who could care less about Americans. That's not what got him selected/appointed in the first place.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:27 PM
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17. Why not give them their oil and country back?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:33 PM
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21. They are going to sue you for massive corporate heart attacks
among the world corporatists. Don't you understand it is yours to do and die, it is their's to reason why. You haven't gotten with the New World Order yet. Believe me, W/Cheney has and they are raking in the redistribution of our taxes to their global companies.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:34 PM
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23. You have to remember the neocons are running the show
...and they are not as strictly socially conservative as mainstream Repugs, something they dare not reveal domestically.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:36 PM
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25. Neocons can't hide profits
Straight out of our taxes to corporate world neocons. (W's buddies)
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:06 AM
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32. Its not Socialism its bribery...
Remember to the Bush cabal, it is only natural that collectivised monies, like say tax dollars, be "managed" by "leaders" like themselves.

So what Bush is REALLY saying is "Hey insurgent leadership! What if we share the spoils by creating you a giant slush fund from some of the oil revenue? Would you let us keep the rest then?"
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