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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:06 AM
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Bush to create world’s biggest ocean preserve
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 10:56 AM by newyawker99
Bush to create world’s biggest ocean preserve
Northwestern Hawaiian Islands ‘as important as Yellowstone,’ activist says
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13300363/

WASHINGTON - President Bush on Thursday is expected to announce the creation of the world's largest marine protected area — a group of remote Hawaiian islands that cover 84 million acres and are home to 7,000 species of birds, fish and marine mammals, at least a quarter of which are unique to Hawaii.

At a White House ceremony, the president was planning to designate the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands — which have been described as "America's Galapagos" and as the most intact tropical marine region under U.S. jurisdiction — the United States' 75th national monument.

The decision immediately sets aside 139,000 square miles of largely uninhabited islands, atolls, coral reef colonies and underwater peaks known as seamounts to be managed by federal and state agencies.

Conrad Lautenbacher, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which will manage nearly all of it, said the new protected area would dwarf all others.

"It's the single-largest act of ocean conservation in history. It's a large milestone," Lautenbacher said. "It is a place to maintain biodiversity and to maintain basically the nurseries of the Pacific. It spawns a lot of the life that permeates the middle of the Pacific Ocean."

Conservationists, who have clashed with the Bush administration on most other environmental issues, were just as pleased.


More at link...

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Wow!

I'll have to call and thank him... don't get too many opportunities to do that. :)


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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:09 AM
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1. So they've concluded there is no oil to claim in that area?
Sorry for my cynicism! It's confusing to actually be happy about something bush has done!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:10 AM
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2. hah
well yeah... but consider that clinton also passed a lot of lame duck enviro stuff in his final months... i suppose bush is getting an early start on that to help out the congressional races a bit, perhaps?

i don't really care how it gets done, i'm just glad about it!

:bounce:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:14 AM
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8. First thing that came into my mind too
:hide:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:10 AM
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3. This is how jaded I have become
I expected to see, after opening this thread, some sardonic commentary about how global warming is going to put all our coastlines underwater, thus creating a preserve of Atlantis-style parks that people could skindive in!!
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gWbush is Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:35 AM
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17. that was my 1st thought too
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:11 AM
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4. But of course. There is no oil to be drilled there
or trees to be cut down, or any other natural resource to be exploited.
I am underwhelmed.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:12 AM
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6. yeah
i understand that commerce comes first, and that's depressing

but i thought this would be welcomed as good news

i think i should just stop checking the damn thread altogether

x(
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:26 AM
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15. Redqueen, it is welcome news.!!!
Again, I thank you for posting this!!

Hell, who knew this man could give a crap about the environment?
It's great news. :thumbsup:

It took some chutzpah to post this- the naysayers will flame anything!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:39 AM
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18. Not only is it welcome news, but WHY????
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 09:41 AM by Kajsa
are there only three of us here that see this
as a good thing?!?!?

:wtf:
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:43 AM
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22. It IS a good thing! (to quote Martha!) & thanks redqueen for posting it!
But the cynical jokes are just so easy!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:50 AM
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26. OK- I know, we've had five years

of bad news with Georgie. It's surprising to see him care.

:-)
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:45 AM
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24. We're waiting for the other flipper to drop
;)
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:11 AM
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5. I think that is the first and only positive thing the man has done in 5 yr

That was something that is for the good of everyone.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:13 AM
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7. NONONONONONONONONO!!!!
* does something good . . . mind can't compute . . . never happened before . . . going into full meltdown. . .

(but I am glad that this was done. It's a good thing)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:16 AM
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9. Keep reading DU - Someone will tell you a reason this is a Bad Thing
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 09:18 AM by slackmaster
Think of those poor native Hawaiians who will be displaced from their traditional fishing grounds.

Or how about this: Obviously a political ploy so Bush can say he more than doubled the size of our national preserves, or something like that.

Hawaii's Democratic senators are both lukewarm to the idea BTW. They have their constituents' economic interests to think of.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:57 AM
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27. See response #25, the winner of

the all time Bad News Bear award.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:29 PM
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31. Yep, that's my job here.
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 12:30 PM by hatrack
:toast: . . . much as it pains me to admit it.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:33 PM
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32. You have a good sense of humor.

That counts for a lot!

:D
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:17 AM
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10. amazing. Although I admit the first thing I thought when I heard of this:
when he agreed to it, he probably thought a "Marine Reserve" was a military base....
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:17 AM
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11. LOL!
Good one.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:18 AM
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12. This is very good news

and surprising!

I didn't know Bush cared about our oceans and marine wildlife.

You're right, this is a rare opportunity to thank him.

btw; Thank you for posting this!

:D
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:19 AM
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13. I find it hard to believe this is Bush's "creation"
More like a real conservationist thought it up and Bush slapped his name on it (Probably because it's THE BIGGEST EVAH! Bush, like a true (fake) Texan, likes everything BIG!).

He probably doesn't even know where Hawaii is. :P
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:22 AM
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14. This will probably turn out like the great 'man to Mars' thingy.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:30 AM
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16. What is wrong with the man? Is he off his meds??
First he suggests Iraqis ought to get dividends from Iraq's oil sales and now this -- I'm absolutely gobsmacked. Suggests how imperiled the midterms are for the Repugs, methinks, that he's actually giving someone other than his base a reason to thank him....
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:39 AM
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19. Yay, we won
a preserve from those oil hungry land grabbing mutant monsters!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:42 AM
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21. Damn right we did!!

Make that four people for the positive side.

:D
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:40 AM
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20. Did they also set up rules about how the minimum wage...
... doesn't apply there?

Just curious.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:43 AM
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23. Who got paid here? What is the payolla payoff. I smell money.
Something else going on here.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:46 AM
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25. Coming soon - the world's biggest dead coral preserve
But it'll be federally protected!

I mean, I hate to piss on the parade, and designating the Monument is a good move, but the science is NOT promising for the prospects of this National Monument.

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The preliminary results from NOAA scientists and their academic colleagues indicate measurable pH decreases of approximately 0.025 units and increases in dissolved inorganic carbon of about 15 µmol/kg in surface waters over a large section of the northeastern Pacific. A lowering of pH indicates rising acidity.

"The pH decrease is direct evidence of ocean acidification in the Pacific Ocean," said Feely. "These dramatic changes can be attributed, in most part, to anthropogenic CO2 uptake by the ocean over the past 15 years. This verifies earlier model projections that the oceans are becoming more acidic because of the uptake of carbon dioxide released as a result of fossil fuel burning."

Feely and his colleagues wrote two papers in 2004 published in the journal Science based on 20 years of ocean observations that indicated the oceans were absorbing vast amounts of carbon dioxide and also the effects that changes in water chemistry would have on marine life such as corals and plankton.

The cruise was part of a decadal series of repeat hydrographic sections jointly funded by the NOAA Office of Global Programs (now the Climate Program Office) and the National Science Foundation Division of Ocean Sciences as part of the Climate Variability and Predictability Study CO2 Repeat Hydrography Program. The cruise aboard the R/V Thomas G. Thompson ended in Kodiak, Alaska, last week.

"The global oceans are the largest natural long-term reservoir for anthropogenic carbon dioxide, absorbing approximately one-third of the carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere by human activity each year. Over the next millennium, the global oceans are expected to absorb approximately 90 percent of all CO2 emitted to the atmosphere," said Christopher Sabine, chief scientist for the first leg of the cruise and an oceanographer at NOAA's PMEL.

Victoria Fabry of California State University-San Marcos and Robert Byrne of the University of South Florida measured the rates of dissolution of the calcium exoskeletons of pteropods, free-swimming planktonic mollusks, subjected to the CO2-enriched waters.

Fabry noted that based on the best available science, it appears that as levels of dissolved CO2 in sea water rise, the skeletal growth rates of calcium-secreting organisms will be reduced as a result of the effects of dissolved CO2 on ocean acidity and consequently, on calcification.

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http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2006/s2606.htm

0.025 doesn't sound like much, but since the Ph scale is exponential (that is, a change of 1 unit means a ten-fold change in either direction), this means that the Pacific Ocean has become about 25% more acidic than it was in the space of about 15 years. Scientists from Woods Hole took diatoms and plankton and other vital species that form the base of the food chain and put them in water at 2100 A.D. levels of projected acidification. Their shells dissolved with the living animals still inside.

The same holds true for corals, which will not be able to metabolize the calcium they need to build their homes.

From the Royal Society:

Within 50 to 100 years, the outer skeletons of some marine organisms may start to dissolve and no longer be capable of forming. This is due to the acidification of seawater, brought about by the absorption of carbon dioxide by the oceans. This research was carried out by an international team, made up in particular of researchers from three French laboratories (1), and their findings are published in the 29 September 2005 issue of the journal Nature.

The burning of fossil fuels leads to an average daily per capita production of 11 kg of carbon dioxide, of which 4 kg is absorbed by the oceans. In total, over 25 million tons of CO2 dissolve in seawater every day. This reaction brings about the acidification of seawater, in other words an increase in the concentration of hydrogen ions (H+). The hydrogen ions then combine with the carbonate ions (CO32-) present in the water, thus lowering their concentration. This limits the production of calcium carbonate, which is the main constituent of the limestone which makes up the outer skeletons of marine organisms. Using recent data and 13 numerical models, a team of European, Japanese, Australian and American oceanographers has simulated changes in carbonates on the basis of the future CO2 emission scenarios drawn up by the IPCC (2).

With the standard scenario (3) the prediction is that within about 50 years the coolest ocean surface water, such as in the Weddell Sea off Antarctica, will become corrosive for one type of limestone called aragonite. This means that pteropods are in danger, since the shells of these planktonic molluscs, which swim in the upper layers of the ocean, are made of aragonite. And if atmospheric CO2 levels continue to rise, it is highly probable that towards the end of the century seawater will become corrosive for aragonite throughout the whole of the Southern Ocean as well as in part of the North Pacific. These calcareous organisms, which are extremely abundant in those areas, would no longer be able to grow their shells. This kind of corrosive environment would have no precedent for perhaps the past several million years.

In addition to these predictions, experiments carried out at sea have shown that the shells of live pteropods do indeed dissolve when seawater reaches the corrosive levels forecast for the year 2100. A fall in the numbers of pteropods could cause a chain reaction since they make up the basic food for organisms from zooplankton to whales, as well as for species which are important commercially, such as North Pacific salmon.

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http://www2.cnrs.fr/en/377.htm?&debut=32
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:00 AM
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28. Thanks, hatrack!
When I read this, my first thought was "is the temperature there good for the development of coral reefs?"

I can't say I'm too surprised to find out otherwise.

*sigh*
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:20 PM
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29. thank you for posting this. you will understand, however, if, given over
5 years of anti-environmentalism and BS from that buffoon illegally squatting in the oval office, we are naturally cynical, and wondering just what ELSE is behind this apparently wonderful gesture. because, I can guarantee you, there is.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:23 PM
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30. What's the catch?
Seriously, it sounds great, but since when has he ever done anything for conservationists??

What's he want Hawaii to do for him??

I hate to be this cynical, but after the last six years...
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:34 PM
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33. Could it be that he wants to turn it into his own private fishing hole?
He could be tired of the pond at the ranch, and want some deep sea time.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:40 PM
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34. I assumed you were referring to Florida and the Great Plains
Hey, I'm willing to give the big doofus an attaboy on the ultrarare occasions that he gets something right.
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