Iraq solution, is a no brainer...

It is very strange to hear those debates framed in "should we cut and run" or "should we add more troops".
Neither is the solution.
The solution is a no-brainer, and I have heard it mentioned very few times...though I did the other day by someone on Mike Malloy.

The troops are in Iraq right now, to protect the war profiteering corporations that are supposed to rebuild the infrastructure, but instead are ripping off the US taxpayer and the Iraqi people, and do nothing. It has been 3 years, and people in Baghdad still have electricity for only a few hours a day, etc. In 1991, after the 1st Gulf War, Iraq was rebuilt fast and at a low cost by the Iraqis themselves. When Bremer was there, there was a bridge rebuilding project that was being bid on.
Iraqi company bid $100,000
Halliburton bid $1,000,000
Guess who got the contract???

So what is the solution?
1 - Pull out the corporations and war profiteers immediately
2 - Let Iraqi companies bid on infrastructure rebuilding and choose the best, of course everything will be US funded, as Colin says, you break it, you pay.
3 - Pull out US troops as they won't be needed: the insurgency is fueled by the presence of the foreign contractors and US troops, and also 80% unemployment rate. Giving everyone their jobs back will be much more efficient in stalling the insurgency than killing civilians.

Add to that:
1 - Forget your oil grabbing dreams, and re-nationalize the oil to let the Iraqis profit from what comes out of their soil. Use diplomacy to facilitate open deals with oil companies.
2 - Donate the giant embassy to the Iraqi people to turn into a Hospital, a University or a Museum.
3 - Use international law instead of self-interest to help the Iraqis determine their future.

That's it. It is not that complicated...Might be difficult, but not as difficult as what is going on now.

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Redstone

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This makes the most sense of anything I've read.

been lost amongst those in power who have no wish to leave such a profitable enterprise.

Seriously. We need lots of people like you in DC.

Mike just read this post on his show. WTG Judy!

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It's NOT that complicated.
Of course they WANT it to seem complicated.
I would add to that reparation payments for the next 20 years.

for BFEE

something good for the people.

They will resource-grab in a week if we pull out completely. The key to understanding the horrible consequences of our/U.S. actions is to remove any concern for human life -- just look at Iraq as material resources.

Human life is meaningless in the global domination equation as presented by the Bushnazis. The perfectly reasonable ideas you have presented can only happen during a different U.S. administration that isn't run by fascist puppets.

His plan:

-- To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.
-- To create a quick reaction force in the region.
-- To create an over- the- horizon presence of Marines.
-- To diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq

I'm suggesting a more Clinton-like plan of using the UN, including Russia and others, to ensure an equitable distribution of Iraq's resources which would be decided by an Iraqi gov't whos election would be overseen by worldwide election officials.

That will never happen under a fascist neo-con regime.

1) Redeploy a la Murtha.

2) Bring in the world community.

3) Use our redeployed troops to guard against ME neigborhood banditry.

The people that do their bidding are the puppets.

Bush and his entire cabinet answer to Movement Corporatism. Movement Corporatism's foundation is deeply entrenched in America's own business community. They are the puppet masters. Bush and his boys are the puppets. The government serves the interests of Corporatism, not the interests of ordinary American workers.

If war is a business, then to those on Wall Street and those who lie in the deepest depths of the business world who benefit, business is booming.

When the two principal "puppets" are the former CEO of Halliburton and the scion of the BFEE, I'd say they're indistinguishable from the corporatists they allegedly serve. They serve themselves, their cronies and their families. Their little political and media enablers are the puppets--Bush and Cheney are the puppeteers, IMO. But whatever. What's important is that they're all part of the fascist/corporatist apparatus that seized the reins of power in the bloodless coup of 2000, and which is unlikely to voluntarily surrender them.

The Iraqis do not need us to rebuild their country nor do they want our help. Halliburton is pumping their oil unmetered...I think they might rather do that themselves as well. 80% of the Iraqis want us to leave. I cannot understand how Bush continues to get away with saying that we are upholding our promise to the Iraqis. They freaking want us to leave. Just get out NOW!

And, it would be the "moral" thing to do NOW.

Most excelent plan.






k&r :kick:

I wonder what state Iraqi companies that do that line of work are in right now. Certainly, it is best that Iraqis rebuild Iraq and take pride in the rebuiding of there own country whiile taking home a paycheck.

Well, maybe just the Dems....

"Here's the solution to the Iraq mess, from an ordinary citizen (not me):"

(url for your post).

Unfortunately I've e-mailed her about a thousand times with little perceptible result; but I do not give up.

we don't allow those in this country . . .

and we especially don't allow them when it comes to war! . . .

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By definition, because you're a Democrat-whose-name-is-not-Joe-Lieberman. But also because you don't support the troops in their mission, which is the military domination of Iraq and its neighbors so we can extract their oil ourselves, and keep the profits. Coward.

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on the House and Senate floors?

This would be a great topic for investigativejournalism, especially with the chimp's signing statement prohibiting auditing of Iraq contract work.

go a long way to restoring America's reputation.

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If Americans had electricity for only a few hours a day the whining & bitching would be incessant. Whhhhaaaaaaa!!

the 2004 Democratic Primary campaign. Almost makes me want to get a new bumpersticker that says, "Don't blame me, I voted for Kucinich."

I mean aren't they just being patriotic and socially responsible with our tax dollars?

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You are absolutely correct, except they never opened up the bidding to anyone. Almost all the contracts awarded were no-bid. The so-called "bidding" was done before the 2000 selection where they financed King George's coronation.

How can you expect to get people to begin to get a country that has been invaded by an outsider to take care of themselves when they have precious few jobs, govt. pay checks are not being giving to police, troops, etc. There is a mountain of reconstruction work to be done and should be done by the Iraqis, no brainer. Haliburton needs to quit standing guard over the oil operation and let the Iraqis do it. They worked the process before we got there. Let the Iraqis work their own public works like electricity, sewer, streets, water....

From day one we cut the leaders of communities out of the picture and then expect them to help us get peace in that country? Why should they help us get control of their country, we are not helping them.

Great ideas. We know and the Iraqis know what the bush admin. is doing over there. As Baghdad Burning said their new leader is a puppet of bush.