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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:03 PM Original message |
Can you shoot cops who don't knock before they come in? ...Castle Doctrine |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Aren't conservatives fun? |
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Suich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. What BOSSHOG said.... |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. Or fire fighters or EMTs? Or anyone else who might come in |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Wow. Right wing gun mania runs smack dab into right wing drug war fascism. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. Write a passionate letter to the DEMS who refused to filibuster Alito. |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. You are in your home and people in camoflage kick in your door |
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WestSeattle2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. Oh you can believe that when this situation occurs.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
33. Police no longer have an obligation to knock |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. The author confuses two concepts |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. According to this explanation of the 'Castle Doctrine' |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Please see sections 198.5 and 199 of the California Penal Code |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. key word here being 'illegally' (nt) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. That's the whole point |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Indeed. You CAN shoot the cop, but the castle doctrine won't cover it. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Never did, does not now, and never will |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
10. The litigation will be "wrongful death" cases brought by the homeowner's.. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. Hey gun owners!!! Stand up for your Second Amendment Rights! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
12. Only if you're suicidal. |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. And of course the police always have the right address |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Whoops! Sorry about that! |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
15. Of course. |
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kiraboo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
16. I'm in love with that question. |
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LiviaOlivia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. kick |
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Jigarotta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
18. so regular unlawful break and entry can shout out 'Police' after the door |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 05:50 AM Response to Original message |
19. You probably "can" |
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Sailor for Warner (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
20. Asked my wife who is a public defender here in FL |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. SCOTUS just upheld no-knock entry yesterday |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Actually I think that a good defense could be made for the homeowner |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. You would not be charged with murder in Florida, or even in California |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. OK then, let's say that the situation is the same |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. You would not automatically be protected by Castle Doctrine |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. But under the clause of reasonable fear |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Even if the hypothetical intruder did yell that they were "Police," |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
25. Live by the gun, die by the gun |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
27. In Florida you sure can! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Not if the police have a valid warrant |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Why would that matter? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. The part in the law that says it applies to an UNLAWFUL entry... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Law explicitly states that entry must be forcible and illegal |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
29. Sure you can, just make sure you sleep in body armor... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
34. 95% of those who shoot at the cops wouldn't be prosecuted. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
35. Good luck putting your word up against the cops. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. True, you are always better off surrendering |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. So just surrender to ANYBODY who breaks into your door? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Police busting in are likely to have the upper hand |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Yes by all means.. |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
37. A cop or anyone else fucking with my door is going to get a 12 gauge blast |
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obreaslan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
42. I'm wondering how far the fascists will extend their power before... |
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Lorax (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Shooting in the dark. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. All rifle bullets are armor-piercing |
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obreaslan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I should have said AND armor piercing bullets... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. One hopes so...I'm cautiously optimistic. (n/t) |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
50. Preventing such tragedies is why no-knocks used to be restricted... |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
53. You Can Shoot Anyone Anywhere Anytime |
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Joey Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
54. I damn sure would |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
56. This is a spurious line of reasoning. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. The problem is, previous courts had found that the exclusionary rule |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. Cory Maye - sitting on death row now because he shot a cop |
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