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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:27 PM
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“Huge Treasure” Of Documents Reveal Al-Qaeda Sought US-Iran War...
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A blueprint for trying to start a war between the United States and
Iran was among a "huge treasure" of documents found in the hideout of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Iraqi officials said Thursday. The document, purporting to reflect al-Qaida policy and its cooperation with groups loyal to ousted President
Saddam Hussein, also appear to show that the insurgency in
Iraq was weakening.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:31 PM
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1. What a surprise!
That clever George Bush being duped.
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:12 PM
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3. Whiz Kid Dubya Plays right into their hands... n/t
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:16 PM
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10. Yeah, that only makes the, what, umpteenth time now?
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 10:18 PM by Art_from_Ark
:banghead:
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justice1 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:46 PM
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2. This give the U.S. a little more wiggle room on Iran.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:24 PM
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11. If it makes war less likely, good. eom
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:21 PM
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4. so thats where w left his damn playbook!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:39 PM
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5. Does This Mean the Iran War is Off Now?
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:40 PM
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6. Did they find them on the MIRACLE laptop or on the MIRACLE thumbdrive
or are they talking about paper that they recovered after 1000lbs of high explosives were detonated... we'll just call them MAGIC documents.

Fucking criminals...they are so obvious.. like anyone DIDN'T see this breaking news coming a mile away.
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:36 PM
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13. and I've been wondering
What exactly is it that the insurgents are keeping on their computers? I use my computer for a whole lot of stuff but, when it comes to work and activities on behalf of our peace group, I don't find the computer all that helpful. Unless, of course, I'm writing press releases or making flyers. Oh, but, if you want one of those you can actually just wait until we distribute them.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:56 AM
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22. i wonder too
i wonder if the guy really even HAD a computer. after last years close call where they claimed to have siezed his computer and supposedly gleaned so much valuable intellegence, it at all true, you'd think he's shy away from keeping valueable info on a laptop computer or memory card.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:38 PM
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14. Most people on this thread seem blissfully unaware...

I know folks you might like to shove shrubs face in the idea that AlQuaeda wanted war with Iran, but folks these documents do not pass the sniff test. Not that, with the government lying to us all the time anyway, we really have a sniff test we can trust at all.

So don't put much stock in them. Just some intelligence agency, probably one of ours, having fun with the MSM.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:41 PM
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7. Al-Qaeda= El-Doofus.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 08:46 PM
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8. Right when the polls are all down, we get all this info..........
.....supposedly saying exactly what the WH Idiot has claimed.:sarcasm: Just magic!! :sarcasm:
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 09:07 PM
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9. actually, I think this is more like what WE'VE been saying
al quaeda's fondest dream is that the blundering idiot in the white
house would respond to the 911 provacation with a blundering, violent
incursion into the mideast- which is exactly what he did, playing directly
into Bin Laden's hands.

Now, it is no surprise that Al Quaeda would like to see
a US-Iran war as well. They thrive on the chaos and
anti Americanism that this has brought about.

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:13 AM
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21. Ding! bin forgotten'$ bin doing a heck of a jeb! uh... a job!


:grr:
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:08 PM
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27. ding-ding! Islamic extremism is flourishing under the US occupation
The single best 'recruiter' of new footsoldiers for AlQueda is the US occupation of Iraq. And Bin Laden would love to see Uncle Sam, having one boot firmly stuck in the quagmire of Iraq, place a second boot into an Iranian quagmire. Not only would such a move be a further boon for AlQueda recruitment, it would play directly into AlQueda's plan to bleed the US into economic collapse by engaging us in a global 'asymetric' (what folks used to call 'guerilla') war.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:35 PM
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12. Hmmm,...I reckon the war on Iran will have to wait until after generals.
If Dems take over the house, and a war in waged on Iran prior to that occurence,...the PNACers would be screwed.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:39 PM
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15. piss off CIA & this happens....they throw
a monkey wrench in your propaganda machine.

Either that, or its a face-saving way for Bushies to back out of Iran War.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:41 PM
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16. How convenient!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:42 PM
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17. Neocons and Al-Qaeda have something in common.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:11 AM
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26. My thought exactly.
There's more to truthiness than meets the eye. We feel the hate for Bush. But when the facts are all in the open, we will know why we hated them. From Bandar to Al Qaeda to Bin Laden to Saddam to Rev. Moon...
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alvarezadams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:05 PM
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18. Propaganda
"The document, purporting to reflect al-Qaida policy and its cooperation with groups loyal to ousted President Saddam Hussein, also appear to show that the insurgency in Iraq was weakening."

At last count there are something like 65 major insurgency/terrist groups in Iraq. Al Qaeda was a bit player and Al Zarqawi was smallfry... built up by the US military as a sort of Emmanuel Goldstein figure (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890.html).


But what else can one expect from AP? http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/outlets/associatedpress
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:19 PM
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19. Ohhh
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 11:20 PM by Rex
so they wanted us to go to war with Iran. Did they find that among the thongs and articles on FDR? I'm just askin. :evilgrin:
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:24 PM
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20. So I'm sure the talking heads will say,
John Bolton, Jerome Corsi, and the rest of the RW swine squealing for war with Iran were supporting Al-Qaeda all along? Sure, sure. They'd be fair, now wouldn't they?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:13 AM
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23. This is more evidence that Bush-Cheney cut a deal with Iran
The other day, Iran stated that it was pleased that Zarqawi had been killed. Now, we see part of the reason why. Al-Qaeda has been aware for a while that the U.S. and Iran have been working with a common purpose in Iraq, so al-Qaeda was preparing to go so far as to commit false-flag terrorist acts in the west with the purpose of provoking a U.S.-Iranian war. Fascinating. Bet this story gets skipped over and no follow-up by the rest of the MSM.

More from that very interesting AP article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060616/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

The al-Qaida document said its insurgency was being hurt by an increase in U.S.-trained Iraqi forces, by widespread arrests and seizures of weapons, and by a crackdown on financial outlets.

According to a translation provided by National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie, the document said the best way to overcome the "current bleak situation" would be to involve U.S. forces in a "war against another country" or hostile group.

The way to do this, the document said, "is to try and inflame the situation between America and Iran" or between the U.S. and followers of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq's most influential Shiite cleric.

It suggests carrying out a range of terrorist acts for which it will falsely implicate Iran, including bombings in the West and kidnappings. It also recommends declaring the existence of a relationship between Iran and terrorist groups, and disseminating bogus confessions showing that Iran has weapons of mass destruction.

Vice President Dick Cheney said the document, if authenticated, shows the terrorists know they are losing the war.


Of course, this is entirely consistent with other developments in recent weeks, including the Zarqawi killing and the apparent halt in the drumbeat heralding an American attack on Iran. About this, I wrote:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/8/74541/27082
Does Zarqawi "Elimination" Signal Bush Deal With Iran?
by leveymg
Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 04:45:41 AM PDT
It's widely conceded within the U.S. intelligence community that Abu Musab al Zarqawi, a Sunni militant, has served as an asset in U.S. efforts to slow Iran's consolidation of control over Southern Iraq.

His killing by a U.S. air strike Wednesday, following a tip received from the Shi'a controlled Iraqi gov't and a betrayal within his own organization, comes immediately after an apparent deescalation in tensions between Washington and Iran.

leveymg's diary :: ::
Zarqawi, a Jordanian national, commanded Sunni militia responsible for numerous terrorist attacks targeting religious sites and the population of the 60 percent Shi'a majority in Iraq.

As ABC reported last year, the Bush Administration went out of its way to preserve Zarqawi as an ace up its sleeve to counter the Iranian-allied Shi'a majority regime that would likely succeed Saddam Hussein. According to ABC:

http://www.abc.net.au/...
May 1, 2006.

Abu Musab al Zarqawi ... Former spy says the US had the terrorism figure in its sights.

Bush turned down chances to kill Zarqawi: ex-CIA spy

A former top CIA spy says the United States deliberately turned down several opportunities to kill terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the lead-up to the Iraq war.

Mike Scheuer headed the CIA's bin Laden unit for six years before resigning in 2004.

He has told the ABC's Four Corners program the Bush administration had Zarqawi in its sights almost every day for a year.

SNIP

On Thursday, The Guardian (UK) reported that Iraqi PM, Nouri al-Maliki, who is Shi'a, announced that Zarqawi had been "eliminated" after high officials in the Shi'a dominated Iraq regime tipped off the U.S. military to his location. Local residents in Baquba, north-east of Baghdad, reportedly informed Iraqi authorities following a grizzly beheading of 17 Shi'a captives in the area. Zarqawi recently released a video in which he called on Sunnis to rise up and exact partisan reprisals. Zarqawi had previously escaped numerous efforts by American forces to locate and kill him. http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

That was followed by a report in the New York Times that Zarqawi had been betrayed by someone within his own organization, that led U.S. surveillance aircraft and Special Forces to his location.

The death of Zarqawi, who recently denounced Iran, comes just as the Bush Administration apparently shifts toward a diplomatic solution to rising U.S.-Iranian tensions.

Far from the huge victory for the U.S. military that this is being portrayed, the killing of Zarqawi marks the beginning of the end of U.S. attempts to control the outcome in Iraq, and a compromise with Iran, which will surely now move to consolidate control over oil-rich majority Shi'a areas of southern and central Iraq.
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2006. Mark G. Levey





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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:38 AM
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24. Al Qaeda is a ultra strict bunch of Wahhabi Sunni Moslems.
they all-but think an anatomical engraving for medical use is a sacrilege!
To them the Shia, and especially Persians, with their long tradition of art is an abomination! Shiia are the "snake handlers and Roman Catholics in one" while Wahhabis are "Fred Phelps Baptists" to put it sarcastically.
Since Iraq has a majority (barely, and centered in the South) to Christians, Sunni (around Baghdad) and Kurds (they are a mixture, but aren't caught up in the religious fight, having larger fish to fry, like independence). But because Baghdad is such a huge city, there are huge numbers of Shia and Sunni and Christians there. Most of the Kurds have gone northward where there is stability.
This would be PERFECT from al Qaeda's eyes: infidels slaying infidels...what joy.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:29 AM
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25. conveeeeeeeenient
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