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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:53 AM
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Just a reminder: This is for those of you defending Larry Johnson
and anyone advocating that we must battle our political adversaries with Coulter like scorch and burn rhetoric.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
-F. Nietzche, Beyond Good and Evil
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:54 AM
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1. Well said.
:toast:
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:56 AM
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2. There are people defending him?
You've got to be kidding me.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:56 AM
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3. OK, we'll see to it. Now back to attacking them in no-holds barred terms
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 09:57 AM by confludemocrat
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:57 AM
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4. So Larry Johnson is now a monster because his emotions...
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 09:59 AM by hlthe2b
(understandable IMO given his history as a CIA agent) got the best of him and he posted a statement in a blog that he will likely come to regret? Sure the comment was over-the-top and most of us cringed reading it. But, I'm not going to villainize Johnson for one emotion-packed comment. Jebus!

edit: typo
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:06 AM
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10. thanks, I agree. Johnson is a friend.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:59 AM
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5. You Just Keep Living in That Bubble
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 09:59 AM by stepnw1f
I live in reality where people speak their mind in plain english, and don't play passive aggressive english judo. Funny how you are always on the wrong side in many of your own posts.

NOTHING is as bad as Coulter.... Larry told the truth and has placed his life and career on the line. You? What have you done...LOL! Go forward oh righteous GOP nicey nicey one. Go ahead... hit the alert button.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:06 AM
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9. Why would I hit the alert button?
Your feeble attempt at insulting me, is more amusing than anything else. And your hyperbole cracks me up to: "Nothing is as bad as Coulter." Oooh, that boring little twit's a real threat, all right. Righteous? Not really. I enjoy toying with little mice like you. I simply recognize where the lines are, and understand that if you're a public figure you need to figure that out.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:00 AM
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6. Go call Stephanie Miller then, she just quoted him in glowing terms
meaning she quoted him on that passage and praised him
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:04 AM
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7. what is it that people are upset about?
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:15 AM
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14. I'm guessing it's the part about Rove's mother.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:06 AM
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8. this is going to be another one of those pile on issues like with Leopold
We are better are beating up on our own side than the other side.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:11 AM
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11. This is more then politics
And this woman and others of her ilk are not adversaries they are the enemy! A true adversary is someone who you can have an intelligent coversation with and at the end of it, you agree to disagree.

This woman would welcome your destruction and that of all here, her comments over the years have proven what she truly feels and thinks. Do you think that she wouldn't stab people like you in the back given the chance.



Here's one for you.

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who do nothing...." Albert Einstein


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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:12 AM
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12. Geeze you'd think Larry had wrote a couple of books full of..
venom.:eyes:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:17 AM
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16. I'm afraid you're missing the point.
Several people have defended the remark Johnson made about Rove's mother's suicide, and there is the frequent advocacy of using no holds barred slash and burn speech including personal attacks. It's that mentality I'm cautioning against. I actually have great admiration for Johnson, and I think he got carried away and said something stupid. It's the defense of that stupidity that I object to.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:36 AM
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17. You're Not Cautioning, cali
You're "tsk tsking" and simply are convinced there is no other rational point of view. I've read your pieces on each of these threads and you have already made your mind up. So, you've taken to wagging your finger on those who believe that playing nice is one of the reasons we're in this leaky boat. They attacked. We played nice. They called us traitors and we played nice.

It just seems time to consider other approaches, whether it seems polite or politic or not.
The Professor
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:14 AM
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13. Limp, lame take-home message: treat a KILLER w/ proper gentile discourse
NO, fuck etiquette on this. Rove is scum, a danger to you and all of us, so go for the throat. And step it up.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:16 AM
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15. Oh, Good God!
The vast majority of the posts at DU lament the Democrats reluctance to give as good as they get.

Now, a guy like Larry Johnson dishes it out in stark, emotional language and half the folks here are turning into Jello.

I like this part:

"Now, if fat Karl had been at the head of the line to enlist in the Army and help lead the invasion, I wouldn't be so cranky. But he didn't, and Cheney didn't, and Wolfowitz didn't, and Rummy didn't and the Bush daughters were busy getting drunk in DC bars. What is it about Republican chickenhawks who played every angle during the Vietnam War to avoid going to war but have no hesistation to start a war in Iraq and send other peoples children into the fray?"


Hey, Rove and his slugs spread nasty rumors about John McCain's personal life; remember the Kerry adultry stories; this morning on the House floor Democrats were all but called terrorist sympathizers. The truth is that Rove and Cheney and these creeps are war criminals and cowards. The truth is that Rove is wrecking this country ... what is his biography? What is his psychological state? He is in a position of tremendous power ... how did his mother treat him? Don't we have a right to know if there is a sociopath (besides Bush and Cheney) making decisions in the White House?

Maybe it is about time someone brought up these uncomfortable subjects ... before it is completely too late to save the country.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:39 AM
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18. Dems NEED more scorch and burn bomb throwers!
Fighting by the Marquis of Queensbury rules by Dems ALWAYS results in us kicked in the groin. How about you and the other handwringing, timid, perpetually critical of the Left folks urging us to watch our manners go bake a cake or something more suited to your constitution and sensibilities. Your post is complete nonsense simply because the two subjects, L.J. and Anthrax are light years apart in substance, sacrifice and agenda.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:50 AM
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21. Yeah, I'm so timid and fearful
of battling it out. Look bucko, I've been fighting the conservative agenda for a long time. I'm a hell of a lot tougher on them than I am on people on the left I disagree with, but I'll say what I damn well please. and it's not just about 'manners'; it's about fighting smart. Johnson's remark is just a big distraction. Of course, twist as you will, I didn't compare Larry Johnson with Coulter. I didn't say what he did was unforgiveable or any such thing; I said he made a mistake. Defending a juvenile remark like Johnson's is foolish.

Oh, yeah, I bake a mean cake, but as it's a llittle on the humid side today, I'm more inclined to toss together a fruit salad.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:00 AM
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22. We need "fighters" like you like a hole in the head.
Your position on this matter is as irrelevant and misdirected as a person on the Titanic wondering what is on the breakfast menu while the ship fills with water. We have bigger fish to fry and if you want to focus on the politeness of a man with L.J.'s background in the face of the BushCO onslaught, you are exactly the type of liberal that should NOT be called upon to lead. Tough words I know, but your bizarre focus on L.J.'s comment is nonsensical distraction. I ain'y buying ANY of it and I hope other readers won't either! By the way, the real fighters of the left love to eat good cake after doing battle. It is important that we all know what role we can play to best defeat this unprecedented attack on our freedoms by the GOP. I am glad you have found yours!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:43 AM
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19. Please
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 10:44 AM by mmonk
Everytime someone turns on a radio, TV, opens an email, watches the CMA, etc., we're (and anyone else who loves truth, real democracy, and real freedom) are getting slammed over the public airwaves which is leading to death threats and real hatred towards us. Screw nice. Screw it to hell.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:48 AM
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20. Personally I see it as a bit of schadenfreude...
people like Rove have created campaigns that have demeaned even their own...look at how the Bush campaign smeared John McCain.

While I understand and in my heart know that Nietzche is right, I also think that it isn't a black and white game. There are shades of gray.

In Rove's case, he has set the bar himself. He has himself to blame if his feelings get hurt and I can tell you that he would have written the same article about a democrat.
Rove can be brought down just like McCarthy was.

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