Larry Johnson and Karl Rove's mother

"We will f**k him. Do you hear me? We will f**k him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever f**ked him." –(Karl Rove)to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him



What does the quotation "Karl is a shameless bastard. This could explain why his mother killed herself. Once she discovered what a despicable soul she had spawned she apparently saw no other way out" do, exactly:

It beats up Karl using the truth of his mother's suicide in a heartless way.

It also brings Karl Rove out of the "mystique of the untouchable evil genius".

It shocks you - it makes you see Karl Rove as an overweight person scarred by his mother's tragic death.

It shows him as merely human, not infallible. Grief has touched him. Hate has twisted him. He is just a person now. Almost to be pitied - what I think he would hate the most.

Was it rough and over the top. Yes.

Did it do something to Karl Rove's image that nothing short of a bomb like this could have. Yes.

Has Rove used this same tactic to smear and destroy other lives? Yes.

Would I have the stomach to do this? No.

It is nobler to sit above the fray and the name-calling. Yes.

But it brings him down to the level the rest of us must live at: Fragile Human.

As cruel as it is, I can't help but think, "He was hit by what he is."


Personally, I am interested in hearing from others - I would like their opinions on whether this sentence went too far.

People like: Mr and Mrs. McCain, Mr. and Mrs. Muskie, Mr. and Mrs. Richards, Mr. and Mrs. Wilson, Robert Mosbacher, Alan Dixon, Mark White, Mark Kennedy, John Weaver, and the spouses, children and parents of all who died due to the marketing campaign of the White House Iraq Group.

I would really like their opinion on this matter before I feel guilty over the fact that I am glad he has finally gotten as good as he has given.

How can I separate this from the joy I felt when the Enron verdict was handed down. There were chills running through me as a reveled in the fact that those whose lives were ruined got a small measure of justice. If Johnson's shocking rant gives Rove's victims a small chuckle of satisfaction, when they remember how they felt when informed of whispers that they were pedophiles or push polls claimed they had illegitimately fathered children they hadn't, or claimed they were of a different sexual orientation than they were, I guess in a way I am happy for them.

So sue me.

Paybacks are a bitch

but revenge is a mother f***er

who have lost a parent to suicide how they'd feel about such a statement.

:thumbsup:

after her son raped a local girl so cruelly she was hospitalized for several days. No one cheered this fact, but as a mother, it touched me in a way I never thought to understand. I am sorry for those who have suffered that loss, whatever the circumstances are that led to that tragic decision.

In response, if we asked 1,000 such people that question, we would probably get 200 different answers. I cannot pretend to know what it is like to lose a parent that way. I only know that no personal information has ever been off-limits to Mr. Rove in his attacks.

I'd have no problem asking them. No mercy for this evil man.

to him. There's nothing to horrible to collar that SOB with, good for Larry Johnson. Hey Karl, I hope your mother is burning in hell for spawning a POS like you!

understand your sensitivity on the subject, but Larry Johnson was dealing with Karl Rove, the personification of well documented evil. I support Larry on this one.

The same people who made fun of Chelsea Clinton's looks for 8 years

Same people who mocked Max Cleland's patriotism.

Same people who mcade fun of Janet Reno's Parkinson disease.

Same people who made homophobic remaks about Barney Frank.

Same people who made racist wisecracks about Carol Mosley Braun.

even a tiny bit of outrage over this. In fact, it gives me a certain measure of satisfaction.

Honestly, I would dearly like to see this man's life become a living hell for what he's done to this country.

It's probably wrong of me to feel this way, but so be it.

This one man has done so much to make America weaker, to divide Americans from one another, to implement evil policies by evil means. He is attacking the country I love, and I hate him for it.

I don't care what anyone says about his damn mother. Dig her up and beat him with her bones if you want. As far as I am concerned anyone can say anything they want about this slimy bastard and anyone responsible for him being here. At least she's dead, unlike the hag that spewed out Jesus W. Asshole to be our president.

At first I thought Johnson had made an internet blunder by posting to rashly and quickly. But maybe he calculated it to actually rile up the other side and get them running around saying how awful it is to slander someone. Slander is the republican game and yet they can't take their own medicine.

I feel Johnson is the one person consistently outraged about Plame's outing and he is speaking out. Sometimes taking things personally is also taking it seriously.

As a tactic, I think it a way to combat the mud slinging. You certainly can't just remain quiet and above it all, like Kerry did, or just constantly be on the defensive. Tackling them in a nasty way, puts them on the defensive.

one thing I've learned is that the only way to deal with bullies is to send them running home in tears. I don't take pleasure in the tragedies of others, but I can't get upset over this. Rove's tactics have destroyed lives, this is just his bad karma coming back to him.

"Karl is a shameless bastard. This could explain why his mother killed herself."

Christ, that was a sick thing to say. Johnson is, himself, a shameless bastard for uttering such things. As if the left needs an Ann Coulter clone.

She's been spewing her vile bile for about a decade now. He had one heated quote that may have crossed the line. I don't think the comparison is apt in any way, unless he has some history of saying such things (of which I'm unaware).

what is all the uproar? If as I gather he said something nasty about coulter or rover, I can't see a problem. There are people beyond redemption, these two happen to be amongst them, if getting down to their level is what it takes to make them feel the pain they've inflicted, then fuck them I'll back up mr. johnson.

with Plame and takes her outing personally.

Do unto others as you would have done unto you.

Of course Karl Rove is a heartless bastard who would not have hesitated to launch a similar attack against a political opponent. That is not under dispute. Do we want to be like him?

Most importantly, this statement will do nothing to help our cause. In fact, it will hurt immensely. People on the fence about Rove and Bush will be disgusted by the statement and turn, at least temporarily, against us. People like me, a to-the-left-of-Gandhi liberal, will never listen to Johnson again.

If we can't win by attacking Rove on the issues, by calling him out on his bullshit, then we can't win.

One more thing: my father hasn't worked in 5 years, due almost entirely to laziness. The next time you disagree with me on a issue, bring that up and blame it on me. How many people do you think will be won over to your way of thinking by saying that?

It's also a great way to disarm your side.

How can we object to the level political discourse has sunk in the age of the Colter's and hannity's if we are no better?

Defending, rationalizing, or supporting this kind of attack should be left to the pukes when one of theirs displays this kind of ugliness.

Karl's mom got a "hell" of a Cristmas present!!!

and his sireing of a disabled child are all factors in making him the wonderful person that he is.
However, I still have no pity for the miserable motherfucker

to the "brain" of the party that wants to deceive the people on the effects of global warming? That lied us into a war, for political reasons? That outed a CIA agent that specialized in WMD? That fights to see gays invalidated? I could go on, but you get the picture. Mr. Johnson's remarks were directed at rove, not at all people that have suffered the tragic loss of a family member, or friend, to suicide.

to tell the truth I don't have a bit of problem with it.

... at war to regain our Country... fuck KKKarl Rove... and his dead mother. I'm sick and tired of all the hand wringing spineless jellocrats that keep rolling over and taking the bullshit these pukes dish out. Take off the kid gloves and lets get down and dirty. This is full scale Revolution... the only thing that is going to save us.


WAHHHHHH..... WAHHHHHHH.... boo fucking hoo... KKKarl got called a name.... WAHHHH..

Please sign me up for whatever it is that
cannot be televised

Hopefully coming to the country we live in soon

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200411/green
The Atlantic Monthly | November 2004
Karl Rove in a Corner

by Joshua Green

I t is the close races that establish the reputations of great political strategists, and few have ever been closer than the 2000 presidential election. From the tumult of the lengthy recount, the absentee-ballot dispute, the charges of voter fraud, and, ultimately, the Supreme Court decision, George W. Bush emerged victorious by a margin of 537 votes in Florida—enough to elevate him to the presidency, and his chief strategist, Karl Rove, to the status of legend.

But the 2000 election was not Rove's closest race. That had come earlier, and serves as a greater testament to his skill. In 1994 a group called the Business Council of Alabama appealed to Rove to help run a slate of Republican candidates for the state supreme court. This would not have seemed a plum assignment to most consultants. No Republican had been elected to that court in more than a century. But the council was hopeful, in large part because Rove had faced precisely this scenario in Texas several years before, and had managed to get elected, in rapid succession, a Republican chief justice and a number of associate justices, and was well on his way to turning an all-Democratic court all Republican.Rove took the job.


The most important candidate among the four he would run that year was a retired judge and Alabama institution by the name of Perry O. Hooper, of whom it is still fondly remarked that in the lean years before Rove arrived he practically constituted the state's Republican Party by himself. A courtly man with an ornery streak and a stately head of white hair, Hooper seemed typecast for the role of southern chief justice, a role he hoped to wrest from the popular Democratic incumbent, Ernest "Sonny" Hornsby.

At the time, judicial races in Alabama were customarily low-key affairs. "Campaigning" tended to entail little more than presenting one's qualifications at a meeting of the bar association, and because the state was so staunchly Democratic, sometimes not even that much was required. It was not uncommon for a judge to step down before the end of his term and handpick a successor, who then ran unopposed.

All that changed in 1994. Rove brought to Alabama a formula, honed in Texas, for winning judicial races. It involved demonizing Democrats as pawns of the plaintiffs' bar and stoking populist resentment with tales of outrageous verdicts. At Rove's behest, Hooper and his fellow Republican candidates focused relentlessly on a single case involving an Alabama doctor from the richest part of the state who had sued BMW after discovering that, prior to delivery, his new car had been damaged by acid rain and repainted, diminishing its value. After a trial revealed this practice to be widespread, a jury slapped the automaker with $4 million in punitive damages. "It was the poster-child case of outrageous verdicts," says Bill Smith, a political consultant who got his start working for Rove on these and other Alabama races. "Karl figured out the vocabulary on the BMW case and others like it that point out not just liberal behavior but outrageous decisions that make you mad as hell."

Throughout the summer the Republican candidates barnstormed the state, invoking the decision at every stop as an example of "jackpot justice" perpetuated by "wealthy personal-injury trial lawyers"—phrases developed by Rove that have since been widely adopted. To channel anger over such verdicts toward the incumbent Democratic justices, Rove highlighted their long-standing practice of soliciting campaign donations from trial lawyers—just as Republicans (which Rove did not say) solicit them from business interests. One particularly damaging ad run by the Hooper campaign was a fictionalized scene featuring a lawyer receiving an unwanted telephone solicitation from an unseen Chief Justice Hornsby, before whom, viewers were given to understand, the lawyer had a case pending. The ad, and the unseemly practices on which it was based, drew national attention from Tom Brokaw and NBC's Nightly News.



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I'm personally sick and tired of taking the "high road"...I mean think about it. Are we going to continue to take all of their insidious BS and NOT fight back. I've got news for Karl. I'M NOT WEAK AND I'M NOT AFRAID. I'm sick to death of evil, treasonous rat bastards DESTROYING our country and I, for one, am prepared to do whatever it takes to save our democracy.

NEWSFLASH...No matter what the left does, we will NEVER be as vile, treasonous and corrupt as these war criminals. Ever.

:patriot:

and Larry Johnson walked on in... Moral of the story... Don't trash other's if you are not prepared for it yourself.....

Rove is so keen on twisting the emotional knife in others it's no surprise to me his Karma bank is in overdraft. He got what he asked for. People are tired of his ugly.

of folks who've said the same thing in private conversation. moi for one.

Surely this same thought has crossed the thoughts and/or lips of many folks.

I too can not summon up a bit of outrage or compassion for the man.

He is probably beyond redemption, but if there is any chance at all for him it is probably in experiencing some genuine pain himself that he cannot hide from.

The windbag that he is, and the scare tactics he uses at will, shows that he is, in reality, a very weak person, who's trying to bully his way through life and it's been working pretty well for him, apparently. I do look for that to change down the pike; How long can people keep believing all his lies? He and George W. Bush seem to be joined at the hip; they're almost like
twins; in their childlike tantrums,their tough talk and their "paybacks."

For a Mother to commit suicide is really pitiful, but if any of us had a son like Rove, who knows what we'd do to escape the reality of it? It would be pure Hell.

:+ :+ :nopity: :nopity:

That's what I think. I believe Mr. Johnson earned the right to say as much if not more and worse. Words are far less damaging than the the actions of this treasonous nazi wimp.

The goodey-twoshoes can sue me too.


BTW - Larry Johnson does not represent the Democratic Party. Just want to clear up that Straw-man argument used today by a few to pressure Duers to disown him as one of our own.

sue you - we all appreciate your efforts stepnw1f:toast:

I where my heart way too much.... gotta put that heart back into my artwork!

:toast:

Oh.... Good Post. :hi:

I have not heard anything yet. Why wouldn't the Republicans be discussing Larry Johnson? Does this not bother them?

and it reads... DID KARL ROVE LIE? :-)

....that Rove's "dad" deserted the family on Christmas Day (and Rove learned later that the man wasn't really his dad) may have had something to do with Mother Rove's suicide. It was just a messed up family that apparently spawned a psychopathic man with no boundaries and criminal tendencies. I might be able to understand what shaped Karl Rove, but by Gawd I don't have to tolerate his hands on my Constitution or "understand" his designs on our liberty.

We need more Scorps in the party. imo.

I'd unload that and much more if given the opportunity.

to Larry Johnson. There is only one way to deal with evil men - expose them. Thank yuo Larry Johnson - show no mercy.

they're going to beat us over the with. Look what their doing to Oberman. It's LONG past the time of being nice. It's time to attack, and attack with a vengence!

I'm STILL Ashamed that george is from America.

There innocence has been impugned.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1650243/posts#comment?q=1

fuck them, fuck Rove, and fuck his dead vile mother!

Didn't know who fathered him until his 30s. A pattern of running away from the military and college. Mom killed herself in the 80s. Not a stable family. Not the kind of person you want running the country. After 5 grand juries, Rove should get all crazy ass on us now. Watch for some unbelievable shit soon from Rove. I wonder if Bush and Cheney knew about Roves real father, you know they constantly tease him and fuck with his insecurities. Dam, no wonder Cheney is so powerful.

just out of decency. As for feeling sorry for Karl, that has nothing to do with it, the guy has done way worse than that. If you live by the sword than you die by the sword, so he should expect to get attacked. He definitely is a shameless bastard, but as for speculating that his mother killed herself because she spawned the guy... that I cannot morally condone that. But Larry Johnson has definite reason to be pissed and I can see how his anger could make him say something like that. He hates Rove, and when you despise somebody, especially a chickenshit like Karl, well, you will do what you can to hurt them.

Karl deserves whatever he gets. Bringing his mother into it was going too far, I would say though.

and stated thusly, it makes me view the comment in a different light. at first, I bristled. it made me sad that politics has become this poisonous, maybe it's always been, and i'm just now wising up to the fact.

whatever the case, i can't bring myself to feel satisfied or happy about someone's mother committing suicide, i don't care who they are. that's just me...

I have zero sympathy for this creten...........he opened the door and now will have to pay the price for ruining the lives of others.

Maybe we should all start calling "poor, patheic, Karl"...instead of talking like hes some genius....get him in the ego where he lives...all he is...is... a wounded bird...a chicken hawk in fact.

I have seen it degenerate in my lifetime until I shudder to think of the future. Once upon a time, people were worthy opponents and personal attacks were not that common. Today, it's become the opposite. :-(

Rumor has it that he is directly opposite of Karl -- poltically speaking -- and that he's an "okay" guy. I hear that he does keep in contact with Karl, too.

It would seem to be a clear indicator that a number of people from the intelligence agencies are extremely upset by the OVP/OSP/WHIG operation against the Wilsons. While I do not know Larry Johnson, I have read and listened to things he has said for several years now. He's a conservative. And when you have a conservativve saying things like this about Rove's mother, it should serve as a measure of the hostility a group of people feel.

The question that I think is worth pondering is this: did Mr. Johnson make this statement in a weak moment, perhaps under the influence of beer consumed to relieve the pain of seeing Rove "walk"? Or did Mr. Johnson consult with otherts on an aggressive, unsettling tactic to take towards Karl Rove?

I do not know the answer to that. I do know that democrats and progressives should be confident in our ability to highlight Rove as a repulsive example of the immoral characters that make up the leadership of the republican party. I do not make fun of suicide -- it is a topic that does not bring a smile to my face. But I do think that Rove's childhood and teen years go a long way in explaining the character pathology that infects his very being.

Karl Rove and Ann Coulter are two tools that we should be using to our advantage right now. I do not think I want to ape their tactics, but I am able to understand why some people would. My goal is to show the smug hypocrite Rove and the vile prostitute Coulter as the poster children of the republican party. I want people to look at them and start laughing. I think they should become the national punch lines.

you are the calm center in the storm of opinion.

:thumbsup:

I would also like to know what influence Johnson was under - alcohol or psyops.