The Lancet: Iraqi Civilian Deaths: 300,000 estimated

that people have a realistic figure in mind.

This is what I would expect from what we hear about what is going on - that it would be at least this bad.

THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE TALKED ABOUT IN CONGRESS AND ON THE TV BOX


KICK THIS IS IMPORTANT OVER A 1/4 OF A MILLION PEOPLE KILLED IN THE NAME OF THEIR FREEDOM

WTF!!!

SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT

And I'd guess we'd see at least a million dead Iraqis before the whole thing's through.

here is your issue

do I have to spell it out in the sand


Pro life my ass

most people are simply racist and these
numbers don't mean anything to them.

This is WHY you don't get into a god damned WAR unless you have ABSOLUTELY no other choice. This is what we've been trying to convey to the brain dead flag waiving yahoos for the past 4 god damned years.

If you voted for Bush this blood is on YOUR hands.

They had already suffered through 10 years of sanctions, followed by this terrible war.

America, are you really this dumb, mean and greedy? Please tell me in November that you aren't.

that puts Bush up in the league with Hitler, Stalin and Mao Se Tung for being the most homicidal leaders of all time.

We have lost 300,000+ Iraqis, 2500 Americans, 10,000 Americans wounded, a trillion dollars and Iraq is in worse shape today than before the attack.

They don't care about Americans, and they certainly don't care about Iraqis.....:cry:

If you listen to any of their talking points yesterday they care about how they will look to the so called terrorists (which really are the Iraqis) and the world. Doesn't the world have tv and haven't the world lost people over there and don't the Iraqis know that their family, friends and neighbors are being killed?

They say collateral damage but if this were happening here this would be another story. At this rate, will there be anyone left to govern? How can this be better than Saddam,. This is the republicons slogan " we killed them to save them " Isn't dead still dead. I am going to ask this question again. What does get the job done mean? Does anyone really believe this is a war? I remember when one of the campaigns for president the repugs said that kerry,clinton and democrats wanted a police action where troops would be patrolling what is the difference? Bush also said that he didn't believe in nation building (bull!)

Fugging hell -this is genocide.

Real Shock & Awe: After 15 Years War, Sanctions 1,000,000 Iraqis Dead

In 15 Years (1991-2006), the US has caused/contributed to 1,000,000 Iraqi deaths

Persian Gulf War: 150,000
Gulf War Aftermath: Many thousands
UN Sanctions: Primary cause of 600,000 deaths
Iraq War: 250,000

The Persian Gulf War did not have to happen: Hussein did not invade Kuwait until after he had received an assurance from April Gillespie that the "US had no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts." Even if he had invaded, alternatives to war were available.

The Gulf War Aftermath Encouraged by American radio broadcasts to rise up against their ‘dictator’, the Kurds of northern Iraq rebelled against a nominally defeated and certainly weakened Saddam Hussein in March of 1991. Fear of being drawn into an Iraqi civil war and possible diplomatic repercussions precluded President Bush from committing US forces to support the Kurds. Within days Iraqi forces recovered and launched a ruthless counteroffensive including napalm and chemical attacks from helicopters. They quickly reclaimed lost territory and crushed the rebellion. By the first week of April, 800 to 1,000 people, mostly the very young and the very old, were dying each day. link Al Franken has said that many 100,000's of Kurds and Shia were slaughtered, but I do not have a printed source.

UN (US/UK Sanctions) The United Nations Security Council has maintained comprehensive economic sanctions on Iraq from August 1990 until March 2003. Sanctions in Iraq hurt large numbers of innocent civilians not only by limiting the availability of food and medicines, but also by disrupting the whole economy, and reducing the national capacity of water treatment, electrical systems and other infrastructure critical for health and life. The oil-for-food program provided an average of $200 per year for each of 23,000,000 Iraqis - well below the international poverty level. In the UN Security Council, countries urged the US and UK to allow the sanctions to be lifted, but the US/UK would not allow this.

Iraq War A Johns Hopkins University study published in the British medical journal The Lancet in October, 2004. // The figure of 100,000 had been based on somewhat "conservative assumptions", notes Les Roberts at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, U.S., who led the study. That estimate excludes Falluja, a hotspot for violence. If the data from this town is included, the compiled studies point to about 250,000 excess deaths since the outbreak of the U.S.-led war. // Eman Ahmad Khamas.... said: "This occupation has destroyed Iraq. Americans don't know that tens of thousands of Iraqis are in prisons. Americans don't know how many have been killed. Lancet reported 100,000 in 2004, not counting Falluja. Now it is something like double this number."

and neither do a large hunk of the American population . . . unless you're talking about AMERICANS, casualty figures are just numbers . . .

for some (e.g. Tony Snow), even if they're Americans it's just numbers . . .

this country has lost its soul . . .

I DO believe that the people care, they just don't know it yet.

And I should've never posted "Please..." I should've posted "Listen!"

I think it's an old fascist trick...
Point out an 'outgroup' and whip up hate. Dehumanize the enemy/outgroup, and kill kill kill your way to power and wealth.

This was published in the Guardian, and I posted that article last week on DU when someone was using the 40,000 figure from the IBC. I also reminded the OP about Tommy Franks saying "We don't do body counts".

because when I found out my nephew voted for the freak in OH - I left him a SCREAMING and I MEAN SCREAMING message how could he have possibly voted for a man who was responsible for the death of a 100,000 people - oh my GOD was I pissed at that kid.

I had tried VERY HARD before the election to convince him that he couldn't possibly vote for someone who had caused such destruction.

the article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
100,000 Iraqi civilians dead, says study

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Friday October 29, 2004
The Guardian

About 100,000 Iraqi civilians - half of them women and children - have died in Iraq since the invasion, mostly as a result of airstrikes by coalition forces, according to the first reliable study of the death toll from Iraqi and US public health experts.

I sure hope we aren't throwing their bodies into mass graves.

Come to think of it Bush never mentions Saddam's mass graves any more.

Don