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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 09:49 AM
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Was Carl Roves grandfather a top Party official in NAZI Germany?
I ve heard this twice now, but without sources cited, am I missing something?
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 09:51 AM
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1. name is spelled Karl - fyi
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 09:51 AM
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2. Who cares, really? He'd be an asshole if his Grandma was
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 09:52 AM by MADem
Mother Theresa or Florence Nightingale. Some folks are just rotten, and pedigree might play a role, but his assholiness stands all on its own.

But on edit, since you asked a question and deserve an answer, here is the info you seek: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:13 AM
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4. He will henceforth forever be KKKarl ROVERER to me. Thanks for the link
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:09 PM
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18. That's Reich'sminister of Propaganda KKKarl Von ROVERER ...
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 12:11 PM by Hubert Flottz
and nobody's sweetheart! Except maybe Brother Jeffery's!

Edit...Red Rover, Red Rover, Bend Jeffery Right Over!("Get the Behind Me," sez Quick KKKarl to Jeff!)
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:01 AM
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3. kick
nt
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:25 AM
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5. The source was Al Martin IIRC
& he's somewhere between Wayne Madsen & Tom Flocco on my credibility scale.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:25 AM
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6. Looks like it's false
At least Norway doesn't believe it:

Norway Times has obtained a copy of the original letter Olaf I. Rove sent to the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Kristiania (Oslo) in 1905, when he applied for the position of Norwegian Vice-Consul in Wisconsin.

The handwritten letter has been stored in Riksarkivet – the National Archives of Norway – for nearly 100 years, until it was recently discovered among several other letters signed by Olaf I. Rove.
...
But if Rove should take on the position as a Consul General, he had to give up his American citizenship, and switch back to his Norwegian passport. This proved to be almost impossible after WWI due to U.S. law, and Rove chose to keep his U.S. citizenship.

After turning down the job as Consul General, Rove decided to stay in Milwaukee.

Karl Rove visited Norway with his father in 1998. They took the Norwegian Coastal Voyage from Bergen to Nordkapp. In an interview with VG, Rove was full of praise of Norway, and said that, "It was a great experience."

http://www.norway-times.com/2004_Main_Stories/Main_story_20.html


One of the sources cited in post #2 is Al Martin - a notoriously unreliable source. The other is claimed to be Joseph Wilson, but so far that claim seems to have originally been made by Al Martin - see eg http://www.wiolawapress.com/karl.htm . There are also plenty of articles on the net pointing out the details Martin gave were wrong, even after he changed them. So until someone who lies less than Martin comes up with some evidence, I'd say it was something Martin made up for fun and profit.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:35 AM
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9. Awwww !!!1 n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:28 AM
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12. And on further research, it also wasn't even his biological daddy
http://www.unknownnews.org/06A08-A14d-412Cassandra.html

Retracting Karl Roverer

by Cassandra, April 12, 2006



Rove's father was actually his stepfather so there wouldn't be a genetic connection anyway -- although Rove has spoken of his respect/affection for the man who took on this responsibility.

Papa Rove walked out on the family on Karl's 19th b-day and his mom committed suicide when he was 30. One of those happy nuckulur families we hear about....The original was printed at Free Press, but this is no longer the version up at Free Press because "Due to the retraction of allegations by a source in the original version of the story, Dr. Fitrakis and Mr. Wasserman have reworked this article. For additional comments about the Rove allegations, and the original version of this text, please view our Letters to the Editor." .....
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:21 PM
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20. So was the stepfather surnamed ROVE? Or how else would KKKarl
believe that the stepfather was the father?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:05 PM
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21. Adoption, most likely, and an amended birth certificate
He knows who the bio father is; but I haven't come across a name, anywhere.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:59 AM
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14. Al Martin was the Only source I could find for this story and have never
found anything else on this that wasn't originally credited to Martin.
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:32 AM
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7. Is this the 'Karl Heinz Roverer, Gauleiter of Mecklenburg' thing?
Except that there never was a Karl Heinz Roverer, Gauleiter of anything. There was a Carl Röver, Gauleiter of Oldenburg, who died in 1942.

The story is false. And I found not one German source to back it up, and I'd think someone there would find it interesting. It's a hoax.

Doesn't make Karl Rove better, IMHO.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:35 AM
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8. Stay on message:
Prescott Bush, grandfather of the current pResident, had his assets seized for TRADING WITH THE ENEMY in 1942.

His firm was instrumental in financing the rise of Hitler and the Nazis.

This is well-established fact, what more Nazi connection do you need?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:43 AM
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10. By that criteria you better damn the entire Kennedy family too n/t
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:44 AM
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11. Not a big fan of theirs either nt
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:55 PM
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19. not really-Joe Sr liked a corporate controlled econ&was a Nazi sympathizer
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 12:57 PM by papau
A corporate "controlled" economy, aided/controlled by the state, is/was part of the definition of fascism, and Joe Kennedy Sr., like many of the wealthy then and now, favored it. The Pre WW2 usage of the word fascism as government with the goal of the greatest possible prosperity the state as a whole at the expense of all else with centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, and suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, has been replaced by a somewhat revised definition. Today the Mussolini construct of the state ultimately subordinating business and labor with certain unelected bodies having a critical role in the decision-making process has been replaced by simply defining fascism as the giving of a huge role to business corporations in government decision-making at the expense of the public.

Interesting how fascism has become a swear word, while GOP is a plus value appellation that our media overwhelmingly loves.

By the way, Joe Kennedy did not "finance" the Nazi's except in the sense that Joseph Kennedy bought some Nazi stocks from Prescott Bush. Buying stocks finances nothing unless you are buying an IPO offering from the company.

Now Prescott Bush did finance the Nazi war machine. Bit of a difference.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:56 AM
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13. And his company was involved in
manufacturing the gas used in the Nzi death chambers, as well.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:02 PM
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15. Some people live down their family legacy
George "W" Bush is not one of them, however.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:05 PM
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16. Exactly. It wouldn't even be a big deal if
he and his admin didn't behave so much like the nzi's, weren't so fasc'stic etc.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 07:22 PM
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22. Prescott
President of Harriman, who sold about 1/3 of Germanys imported rolled plate steel in 1939. Steel used in battle ships and tanks, tanks built in an Opel factory built & Funded by General Motors.

Remington Rifles.....

IBM punch card system........

etc etc etc
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:08 PM
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17. The government is run by known racists
Bolton, Baker, jeb, bush, cheney, and rove have known, ugly pasts with white
supremicsts racism, supporting it, using it to win elections and using it to
destroy people and start wars. RACISTS, in a white supremecists goverment that
wages agressive war.... gosh, i guess nazi's too harsh a term, perhaps just
heinous felons?
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