Murtha attacks Rove with a broadside...

so to speak... :) On MTP this morning:

"He’s in New Hampshire. He’s making a political speech. He’s sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside, saying stay the course. That’s not a plan."
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I'm thinking that is exactly the way to counter the Karl Rove and John O'Neil types that sit back and lob attacks on individuals and our Party. They must be called out personally. It does no good to challenge their assertions when they are attacking personally. We must fight fire with fire ...

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And thank you MR. Murtha

House of Reps!!!!

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when they suggest to advocate leaving Iraq is somehow cowardly and they have a personal history of draft deferments. ;)

I noticed when Brian Unger interviewed Murtha on KO recently, Murtha made the point that were discussing policy and all of a sudden the Republicans wanted to make personal attacks!

I say, if they want to get personal, let's get personal!!! Just like Murtha did!!

Old rascal is tryin to show Congressional DEMS how to mix it up with the chicken hawks if they go personal when they are losing the argument. Noting that politicians hate to be ridiculed more than just about anything, find their weak spot and go for it! If they insist on making it personal, show them there is a huge cost.

could only blubber, yeah, I've been there, I visited Iraq!

If they want to get into personal attacks, why not expose them as the chickens they are?

And did you notice.......when Murtha did that, he didn't even have to make a statement or an insult? He simply asked a couple of questions and let everyone reach their own conclusion!

"cut and run", we should refer to the chickenhawks who "ran and hid" when they had the opportunity to serve. I'm saying it every time I hear that phrase, because I'm sick of the Republicans being perceived as these huge patriots when most of the ones in power never wore a uniform, let alone saw active service.

anyone have a source for finding out how many in the House and Senate have served in the military and whether or not they were in combat? It might make some interesting reading.

The list of republican cowards, draft dodgers, and chickenhawks


Service Records – Comparing Democrats To Republicans

Democrats

David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, etc
Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53
Wesley Clark: Army 1966-2000, Vietnam, Silver star, purple heart
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver/Bronze stars, Vietnam
Bill Clinton: Did not serve (opposed war)
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze star
Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57
John Edwards: Did not serve
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam as journalist
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74
Howell Heflin: Silver star WWII
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze star
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver/Bronze stars, purple hearts
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII
Jim McDermott: Navy 1968-70
George McGovern: Silver star & DFC during WWII
Zell Miller: Marine Corps, 1953-56
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-53\
John Murtha: Retired Marine officer and decorated Vietnam combat veteran
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver star, etc
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze star, Korea
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-79; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91
Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Mike Thompson: Staff Sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart
John Conyers – US Army


Republicans

Spencer Abraham: Did not serve
Eliot Abrams: Did not serve
Richard Armitage: Navy, three tours in Vietnam
John Ashcroft: Did not serve
Roy Blunt: Did not serve
Michael Bloomberg: Did not serve
George W. Bush: Texas Air Nat. Guard; skipped duty; didn't take physical; suspended from flying
Jeb Bush: Did not serve
Saxby Chambliss: Did not serve. Attacked Cleland's patriotism
Dick Cheney: Did not serve
Christopher Cox: Did not serve
Tom DeLay: Did not serve
John Engler: Did not serve
Douglas Feith: Did not serve
Bill Frist: Did not serve
Newt Gingrich: Did not serve
Rudy Giuliani: Did not serve
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer
Phil Gramm: Did not serve
Dennis Hastert: Did not serve
Tim Hutchison: Did not serve
Jack Kemp: Did not serve. "Knee problem," continued in NFL for 8 years
Jon Kyl: Did not serve
Trent Lott: Did not serve
John McCain: POW in Vietnam, Legion of Merit, Silver star, DFC, many more
Mitch McConnell: Did not serve
John McHugh: Did not serve
George Pataki: Did not serve
Richard Perle: Did not serve
Colin Powell: 35 years in Army, 4-star general
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard
Dana Rohrabacher: Did not serve
Karl Rove: Did not serve
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor
Rick Santorum: Did not serve
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base
Richard Shelby: Did not serve
JC Watts: Did not serve
Vin Weber: Did not serve
Paul Wolfowitz: Did not serve
Andy Card – no service
Condi Rice – no service
John Bolton – no service
Don Nichols – no service
David Dreier - no service



Pundits, Preachers, and Judges

Bill Bennett: Did not serve
Wolf Blitzer: Did not serve
Pat Buchanan: Did not serve
Mann Coulter: Did not serve
Charlie Daniels: Did not serve
Lou Dobbs: Did not serve
Paul Gigot: Did not serve
Sean Hannity: Did not serve
Bill Kristol: Did not serve
Rush Limbaugh: Did not serve
Chris Matthews: Did not serve
Michael Medved: Did not serve
Ted Nugent: Did not serve
Bill O'Reilly: Did not serve
Dan Rather: Army Reserves
Ralph Reed: Did not serve
Michael Savage: Did not serve
Antonin Scalia: Did not serve
Kenneth Starr: Did not serve
Clarence Thomas: Did not serve
George Will: Did not serve
Roger Ailes (Fox) – Did not serve
Anne Coulter – Did not serve
Fred Barnes – Did not serve
Gary Bauer – Did not serve
Neil Bortz – Did not serve
Tony Snow - Did not serve
Pat Robertson - US Army
Jerry Falwell - Did not serve

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where I had seen it.

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that they don't have to worry about keeping their deferments up!

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks - not one of them has a son or daughter in uniform in Iraq.

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks full of opinions about war but no practical experience among them!

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks with their contributions and gifts from contractors wanting DOD business.

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks talking like they know what is really going on in Iraq while Al Frankin has been to Iraq more often than most, if not ALL of them!

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks wasting time debating issues like Terri's Law, Marriage Bans and tax cuts for Paris Hilton while REAL problems are ignored.

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks who accuse DEMs who served and have the decency to protest this illegal invasion of not supporting the troops and then give themselves perks and pay raises while troops go without proper armor.

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks who won't conduct oversight of companies who get no-bid contracts to supply food and water to troops and serve up untreated water from a river that receives raw sewage.

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks say war protesters hate America while they fail to uphold their oaths of office and let the bush administration dismantle the Bill of Rights, EPA, and allow the destruction of National Parks and Forests.

Ran and Hid Chicken Hawks - all talk, no real service to the nation - EVER!

and they know better than to even bring up the subject about staying the course.
peace

It was great. Murtha outdid him at his own game. I'd like to see more dems use this tactic when they go on these shows instead of pretending the show isn't a one-sided attack fest for the rpubs.

Jack Murtha is what you would call a natural born LEADER! His record backs that up. He fought for his country and he still isn't afraid to fight. He is exactly what we need LEADING the House if we can win it back. Our Hammer has some real steam! Their hammers are cheap imitations.

Edit...History will smile on Jack Murtha.

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/facebook/house-floor-smackdown-facebook-pics-quintessential-wonkette-post-181434.php

Don't screw with Jack...he'll take ya down!

at the beginning of the interview, sawing that Murtha was like all Dems, that when the bullets
fly, they are ready to cut and run. Of course, Murtha lashed out in a pretty frank way, I don't
know if that will fly or if it will flop. But, I have been racking my brains, and I can't remember anyone in the White House ever saying such demeaning and crude stuff as what comes out
of Mr. Rove's mouth. I really don't recall 1 person and I don't recall anyone but the president
ever being trumpeted around the media like these individuals of the Bush administration are.
I remember everybody talking about Kennedy, his meeting, his comments but I don't remember any
other presidency where this crap happened.

I wish we had an Army of Jack Murthas in Washington.

They must have their ideas ridiculed and laughed at. Not personal attacks so much, but laugh at their ideas--because they are laughable.

saw him on MTP - russert met his match with Murtha.

speaking and leaking to him.

That's exactly how to handle these bullies - personally insult them.

a court system.

The American public responds better to ad hominem attacks.

I say let 'em rip.

"He's in New Hamshire. He's making a political speech. He's sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside, saying stay the course. That's not a plan." :rofl: Murtha :yourock: :loveya: Ya know, that sorta sounds like Commander Bunnypants. :evilgrin: