Um...guys? The biggest threat in the world is the BUSH ADMIN!!!

Wonder why other countries want nukes?

Maybe because they are being threatened by the US and Israel, both of whom have WAY TOO MANY NUKES to have ANY credibility in telling others they can't!

And why Iran? Why not N. Korea or Pakistan?

PLEASE DON'T BE NAIVE!!!! Stop Bushco from unleashing WWIII in the Middle East! (Assuming it isn't already too late).

What do you think military action against Iran will do in that region? Particularly with Israel involved? How do you think the other Arab nations in the region will react?

I am terrified and heartbroken that even here at DU there are people ready to fall for this again.

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already have nukes. If there is a fight it appears the US would like to do it before a country has nuclear weapons they can use.

less of a threat now that they have them, maybe we should let Iran make them and then they'll be safer LOLOL.

I can't grasp the logic of this! :freak:

Please forgive me, I am sort of losing it a little today.

Them? If our criteria for attack is that a country not have nukes, then most of the world is fair game.

and even moreso if they had nukes. I hear what you are saying though, I don't want that war either and am hoping (maybe foolishly) that in the end there can be a diplomatic solution.

But Iraq posed no real threat to anyone. Iran, however, is quite a dangerous regime that should in no way be allowed to have nuclear capabilities.

If they used them, I'm sure there are a lot of countries with nukes that would be tempted to turn Iran into glass. Israel, Pakistan, U.S. to name a few. It would be a new case of MAD..mutually assured destruction.

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It would be a real stretch to think they could bomb the U.S. with them.

afraid of. A regime like Iran having nuclear capabilities is an extremely dangerous thing. I hope to hell we avoid war on this one, but the case to the people about Iran not being an imminent thread will be a brazillion times harder to sell than saying it about Iraq. I fear if it is defended too much on here, we will be made to look extremely foolish.

Those same terrorists could turn them on the country that sells them. That's why Saddam didn't, because the weapons could be used to overthrow him.

...and missing uranium...and countries with people ready to sell technology....and countries that might use THEIR nukes in defence of Iran. Bolton was in charge of finding soviet loose nukes and Brewster Jennings was interested in them too. They are already out there.

I agree with those that think it is unlikely that a country like Iran would use nukes offensively. It is suicide. However, with one of the largest oil reserves and with peak oil coming, a country like Iran is surely nervous. They are in a tough position. The weaker they are militarily, the more vulnerable they are to invasion for oil eventually. The stronger they are, the more likely it is that countries like the US and China will ensure they don't get strong enough to adequately defend themselves.

I pay fair amount of attention to the news and to articles and I'm not at all sure Iran is as dangerous as people are saying. They could be dangerous...or not. It is by no means obvious or clear. There's no way for us civilians to know at the moment. We DO KNOW, however, that we've been deceived before on the same topic.

Part of the previous deception was this strategy to offer a false dichotomy...and we're seeing another one again: Choose between: Iran is no threat, or....we have to go to WAR. There are all kinds of choices and alternatives between those two extremes. Dem leaders can take all kiinds of reasonable positions other that those two, including talking about how much we don't know and can't trust because of this administration.

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I'm on DU. I'm doing all I can to fight for our democracy, values and integrity. I already am doing my part to rid ourselves of this corrupt evil virus that is Bushco. But that isn't relevant whatsoever to the point of whether or not Iran is a threat if it had nukes. It would be, period. It matters not that we are a threat as well in that context.

Because we have no credibility in this regard.

Who armed Saddam in the 80s?

Who helped train the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Who the hell are we to bypass the rest of the world and preemptively attack a sovereign nation?

Is it possible that the US is more of a threat than Iran? If you look at this in a global context it is quite clear that we are the most threatening nation in the world right now.

I agree with you on the context, and replied in a different thread that we are the greatest threat. But that has nothing to do with the fact that Iran would be a grave threat as well and shouldn't be allowed to attain a Nuclear weapon.

I also nowhere condoned a unilateral attack while bypassing the world. None of that to me is the issue. It is whether or not Iran within its own context would be a threat with nuclear weapons. I think that answer is a resounding yes from the majority of citizens of the world, regardless of how much of a threat that we are.

a nuclear enrichment program immediately for the purpose of weapons (as opposed to nuclear energy, which even that is debatable) it will be a minimum of 5 years and more likely 10 for them to have enough nuclear material for a weapon.

In the meantime there are plenty of actual diplomatic avenues to pursue.

I don't see them as an immediate danger, in fact there are several other nations in the world who are less stable than Iran who have nukes already. If we really want to be Team America World Police, why are we going after Iran, right now??

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Love that pic :D

with the PNAC cabal in charge. I'm in full agreement with meganmonkey.

extremely dangerous regardless of pointing the finger back at ourselves.

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If you don't think Iran is a legitimate threat if it had nuclear capabilities, than I feel for you.



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didn't think so.

the U.S. is the most dangerous country on the planet according to recent polls.

don't fall for the BS propaganda.

just keep reading DU, you'll thank us for it later :hi:


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Just a twist on the post you had deleted, but I hardly see the relevance in repeating it. And I read DU just fine and am capable of making my own assessments, which in this case is that no matter how dangerous we are, Iran is a country that should ABSOLUTELY not have nukes PERIOD. And it isn't any BS propaganda, I had felt this way long before the * cabal started preaching it. I care not your disagreement, but I would find it a tough task for you to prove to the populous at whole that Iran WOULDN'T be a threat with nukes.

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is a dangerous country? Iran is not dangerous. The US simply wants control of mideast oil.

We all won't fall...

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It's patriotic to wage preemptive war.

It's not wise to let any country as violent as Iran have the power to create nuclear weapons.

Israel, Pakistan (or any other neighboring country with nukes) is not about to use their nukes on Iran. They are just being big babies.

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I'm going on record as stating that I don't think bombing Iran is the right choice. I also don't understand how poking a lion with a stick until they're so pissed off they want to tear your head off is considered diplomacy.

I also don't understand how poking a lion with a stick until they're so pissed off they want to tear your head off is considered diplomacy.

Everybody thinks so much in black and white these days, so in saying we don't support attacking Iran, people are assuming we love Ahmadinejad and want him to get nukes to bomb us or something!

It is so much more complicated than that. And your analogy is perfect.

Critical thinking has come to be associated with a lack of patriotism.

It's sad and more than a little frightening to realize how many people have fallen victim to that mindset.

... has soldiers stationed in almost every country in the world.

We should bring those troops home.

peace and low stress!
bring the troops home!

Seems like a really great forum!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

And hi to you too!

stop Bush, we can't.

And it 'aint gonna be America! :cry:

Peace.

people do not know their history or about current events! Our ancestors have given their very blood for the freedoms and liberties that we all enjoy.... that is why no one is insulted at what's going on! It's like the most people are totally dumbed down only worrying about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie! Alito who? Where is Iraq? It's like everyone have turned into pod people!

There is a disconnect here with, "Our ancestors have given their very blood for the freedoms and liberties that we all enjoy".

MY ancestors had their blood spilled at the hands of those who were purportedly establishing this nation. That's one aspect. The other is that the "freedom and liberties" that you speak of are; 1) Not enjoyed by the vast majority of the population in the US and; 2) Come at the expense of more blood being spilled daily in other parts of the world, we needn't go over the list of all those places that are being devastated to extract the resources needed to support these rumored "freedoms and liberties".

they hate everyone