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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:05 PM
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Worst-Tasting Beer On Earth (Budweiser) Pisses Off WCF Fans
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 11:06 PM by stopbush
Looks like the beer with the best commercials and the worst taste is busy making enemies at the World Cup:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5091154.stm

Fans lose trousers to gain entry
By Harry Peart
BBC sports correspondent, Berlin


Hundreds in the crowd were in their underpants
Football's governing body has explained why up to 1,000 Dutch fans watched a World Cup tie wearing no trousers.

Around 1,000 fans arrived for the Ivory Coast tie in their traditional bright orange trousers - but bearing the logo and name of a Dutch brewery. To protect the rights of the official beer they were denied entry, so the male fans promptly removed the trousers and watched the game in underpants. Fifa said an attempt at an "ambush" publicity campaign was not allowed.

Fifteen major companies have paid up to $50m (£27m) each for the right to be official partners at this World Cup. The American firm Anheuser Busch, which makes Budweiser, won the exclusive right to promote and sell its beverage in the stadiums and other venues.

There has been a wider resentment in Germany that a US brewery has the exclusive rights in a country which prides itself on the quality of its beer and has very strict laws governing its composition.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:11 PM
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1. Pigs Eye lean is my beer of choice
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:12 PM
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2. I'd rather drink out of my toilet bowl
than drink Budweiser.

On the flip side of that, Budweiser is a fairly new, meaning the last 10 years or so (and disappointing) export to the UK/EU.

Just because it's "hip" and "new" doesn't make it cool. If someone said drinking my toilet water was neat-o, I not only wouldn't do it, I wouldn't pay extra to do so. UGH.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:24 PM
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11. I think I drank Bud's toilet piss about ten or so years ago
when I thought beer was interesting. Rice brewed in is just awful tasting. I can't stand any beer since I quit smoking, tastes moldy, even Bass Ale or Guinness Stout. So, I drink green tea.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:14 PM
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3. What the hell were they thinking - Budwater !?! In Germany of all places!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:23 PM
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10. they were thinking about 50 million dollars
which is roughly what Anheuser-Busch paid FIFA to be the exclusive beer sponsor. It makes as much sense as having McDonald's sponsor the Olympics, right?
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:03 AM
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125. Xactly - More like McDonals sponsoring a nutritionists convention.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:46 AM
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123. What the hell are they thinking?!
Pushing bud in Germany is like selling Thunderbird or Nighttrain in France. Ugh!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:18 PM
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137. Budweiser, like it or not
is far and away the best-selling beer in the world. Of course, most of that is on sales in the US, but 17% are international. It's also worth noting that, technically, Bud isn't beer in Germany, since it uses rice. It is still a top 10 selling beer in Europe, however.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:15 PM
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4. german purity laws
gutted several years ago. big corporate breweries have taken over and ruined most of the old european brands.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:16 PM
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5. Bud, the worst-tasing beer on Earth?
You, my friend, have obviously never had Laser.

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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:18 PM
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6. I think Budweiser tastes pretty good
...and it's not exactly an unpopular beer in Europe, either.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:20 PM
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7. Dude, it's piss-water.
I'd rather have one bottle of decent beer than a six-pack of Bud - I don't care how cheap it is....

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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:24 PM
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12. So it's not to your taste.
Who made you the judge and jury concerning the quality of lagers? I find it to be a very refreshing brew, as do millions of others. Global sales and popularity do much to refute your singular assertion.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:37 PM
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26. So do hundred-million-dollar ad campaigns...
...low price, force of habit, etc.

I suspect the reason it's so popular is not so much the taste but "it gets ya drunk - cheap."
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:01 AM
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39. People are not morons
If they go by price alone, Bud loses out. There are plenty of cheaper beers. For the most part, people eat and drink what tastes good to them.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:09 AM
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43. People are quite often morons.
They voted for POS Bush by a margin of 3 million votes in 2004 after 4 years of abject failure and corruption. They still buy behemoth SUVs, which guzzle gas, roll over, are ugly, hard to park and no better at hauling kids and stuff than smaller, cheaper wagons and minivans. They have made the revolting glop known as "Cinnabon" into a mall staple all over the country. They made garbage like "Survivor" and "Fear Factor" into top-rated shows.


I won't say that people who drink Bud are morons. Taste doesn't work that way. Some might say I have horrible taste because I like French's yellow mustard. But a great many American consumers are exactly that - absolute MORONS.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:27 AM
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54. THAT was great, I must have that for the future
Giving you credit, of course. The heck with those who somke and drink coffee.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:34 AM
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Well, I don't share your contempt for them
People can make uninformed choices based on poor information or a less than perfect upbringing, but the percentage of true morons in this country is probably quite small.

For instance, a friend of mine bought his wife and SUV because he was sure that her and the kids would be safer in it. He's wrong, IMO. But does that make him a moron, or an otherwise competent and good-natured person who made what I consider to be a bad choice? One thing that I am sure of is that calling him a moron isn't going to change his mind about anything.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:44 PM
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29. BTW, I will concede that it's not "Worst in the World"
I have had worse than Bud. The Mexican beer "Bohemia" pops into mind. But Bud is definitely by far the most overrated beer on earth, largely due to huge advertising budgets, a neat logo, low prices and nostalgia and brand loyalty left over from the 50's and 60's when there were only a few beers widely available to consumers in the US.

Bud tastes watery and nasty to me, as do most big-name US beers, but Bud is one of the worst.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:25 PM
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13. Everyone's tastes are different, I loved Schlitz when I was in my 20's
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:30 PM
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18. A lot of folks who could afford 'better', drink Budweiser. They like it.
What's wrong with that?

It's not Lone Star or Iron City
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #18
55. Your Mets are KILLING this year, KILLING
Good to see you, I still have Mookie's bat.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 08:04 AM
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115. I'm insanely jealous. I met him a couple times. But to have his bat!
That's cool.

I worked at the Triple A, Tides ballpark when he was a minor leaguer. He then later followed me to Toronto.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 08:26 AM
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116. And in the very late Eighties I had him sign it
At one of those insane stand in line for hours signing sessions at a church in Brooklyn.
I have a game used cracked Tim Foli too. Imagine that.

:evilgrin:

I hope you and yours are well. Congrats on a great first half, may it continue till we meet you in the Bronx for the first game of the World Series, just like in 2000.

:evilgrin:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:50 PM
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35. You need to try a few others.....
Bud..damn, I'd rather drink the glass of week old water on my nightstand - the cat has been drinking out of it.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:59 PM
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38. I've had loads of beers, from all over the world.
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 12:00 AM by cigsandcoffee


And Budweiser is far from my favorite. Still, I do find it to be a very smooth drink, and don't see why people need to make ridiculous comparisons to old cat water. I mean, are you being overly dramatic, or would you really rather drink old cat water than an ice cold Bud?

I'm betting that when push came to shove, you'd take the beer.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:00 AM
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71. Seriously....but then I'm a red wine drinker
and will NOT DRINK a glass of water left on the bedstand overnight... the kitties leave backwash.

I drank Bud during the 1st year of college, maybe 3 times since (20 years). It is Nasty Stuff.

You've tried other beers, can't you tell how bad it is? Is it even 'beer'?

If push came to shove I would opt for 'other', or NONE.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:05 AM
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75. My favorite is Franziskaner, though I love Guinness
But on a hot day or if I'm looking for something light, I'm very happy to have a cold Budweiser.

Still, I knew you wouldn't drink the cat water. :p
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:17 AM
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91. On a hot day I would also use Bud - unopened can
rolling on the back of my neck. The cat water is a tough one....
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negativenihil Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #75
126. Check out Stella Artois for a good light/summer beer...
I'm a big stout/dark beer fan in the winter, and a Stella drinker come summer time.

Give it a shot!
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:16 AM
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111. "not exactly unpopular"?
Err. "Anheuser Busch" is as unpopular as a beer can get. Neither sold, nor bought in continental Europe in any significant quantities.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:16 AM
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120. Not true. nt
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:49 AM
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124. I can assure you: it is absolutely true
In Germany they sold less than 4500*10³ Liters of Anheuser Busch over the whole year. That's less than most microbrews (and Germany has *many* microbreweries.). On most other markets they are not even present.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:29 AM
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130. First you referred to Europe, now Germany...
A-B does sell in Europe. It doesn't sell all that well in Germany.

It's not a top beer in Europe, but it does sell.

In the US, 75% of all beer consumed is consumed by men between the ages of 18-35. The demographics are a bit different in Europe.

You are assuming that folks have your tastes and beer-drinking habits.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:07 AM
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135. I am assuming little
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 11:27 AM by Kellanved
I travel a lot and happen to have the numbers for Germany.
I have never seen anyone in continental Europe ordering an A-B Bud. This is not a statement whatsoever about the quality, just about the fact that it is not an important brand in Europe at all.
IIRC, of all European countries, the UK is the only country consuming (locally brewed) Bud in notable amounts - even that's just a 3% share in the UK and a <1% share practically everwhere else.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:20 PM
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8. we are just making friends and enemys everywhere..and over everything!!
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 11:21 PM by flyarm
war, beer, the only world cup team with no flag on the side of the bus..and our team having to stay on the german- U.S. base instead of the official hotels...

wow ..to coin what Sally Field once said..they love us, they really love us..

my son is over there..i will let you know what he says..he is going to 10 games in 12 days..and will party in Berlin the other 2 days!

oh and p.s. my son hates bud...he loves the german beer!

oh and PSS..if you see anyone in the stands with a NJ flag..thats my son!!

oh well...

fly
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:27 PM
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15. I have to disagree
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 11:28 PM by cigsandcoffee
Beer companies are international. Miller is now foreign owned. Should Miller not vie to sponsor American events (or even Heinekin or Guinness) because it may ire native beer drinkers?

Under German law, Bud had as much right as anyone else to go for the World Cup contract. They won it. Good for them, and good for the American workers who brew it.

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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:44 PM
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30. I hope your son is enjoying himself.
It sounds like a great time in Germany. Yes, American beers taste like water compared to European brews. I can also say the same thing about wine. After spending six months in Italy, I was able to give an impromptu gift of Italian wine to a friend who was celebrating their wedding anniversary. I told them after they dring the Italian wine, the American wine will taste like water, After finishing the bottle, they went to the grocery store to get another bottle. They told me that I was right about that.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:22 PM
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9. WORST tasting?
Hardly.

It may be a far cry from the best, but I can think of five worse-tasting beverages off the top of my head. Rainier, Heidleberg, Beer, Rheinlander, and Shmidt. And that's just the top of my head. If I tried I could probably think of at least ten.

Of course, I live in micro-brew country and refuse to buy cheap beer. I'd rather have a six-pack of decent beer than a whole case of reindeer piss any day of the week.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:26 PM
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14. Meister Brau!
Apparently, they don't make it anymore though. Probably too many stoned college kids went blind or something from it.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:29 PM
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16. Meister Brau (RETIRED) formerly brewed by Miller
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:35 PM
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23. Of course, now that I think about it...
MGD is pretty damn crappy too.

My ex loved the stuff and I introduced her to Thomas Kemper's Pale Lager...after about three drinks she looked at me and said, "Yeah, you're right. Miller does taste like crap."
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. Ugh...Yeah, I drank that crap in my teens...
back when we'd drink just about anything...
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:29 PM
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17. Budweiser is the worst beer.
I'd rather drink Milwaukee's Best over Budweiser anyday...and Milwaukee's Best is one of the WORST!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:32 PM
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20. Iron City and Lone Star are the WORST. As cheap beers go, Utica Club's
pretty good. Matt's is their Gucci brand.

Three cheers for the FX Matt Brewery, Court St., Utica.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:39 PM
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27. Or Natty Ice
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 11:39 PM by kgfnally
Natural Ice. My mom drinks that. I suffer through it when I'm at home.

I really like Bell's ales, especially the amber ale. They're brewed right here in my hometown, too. I went to their bar once- yes, it's a bar, with what they call a 'beer garden' out back, with live music in the summer.. very cool place- and had it on tap.

Fantastic.

http://www.bellsbeer.com/

Our flagship beer is made from mostly pale malt with some Munich and caramel malts. This gives it a slightly sweet flavor that is balanced by a mélange of American hops. The result is a deep copper color and rich flavor.
Original Gravity: 1.056
Alcohol by Volume: 6.0%
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. I'd even drink Natty Ice over Bud.
Bud is that bad, IMHO.

That Bell's beer sounds good. Is that a local beer? I've noticed that local beers are many times better tasting than beer from bigger companies.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #17
114. You mean they don't make Blatz anymore? Corona is undrinkable
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #17
131. Milwaukee's Best over Budweiser?
Then you are a liar or have no tatste buds.

There is no way someone likes the Beast over Bud.

Its just is not possible.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #131
134. Oh, but it IS possible!
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #134
139. NOOOO!
:toast:
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:31 PM
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19. When Australia hosted the rugby world cup in 2003...
Heineken was the official beer. Not Australian, and not even from a country that PLAYED the fucking sport.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:33 PM
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22. This is bringing out the beer snobs
Edited on Sun Jun-18-06 11:35 PM by cigsandcoffee

Budwesier is a delicious beer. But if one is trying to gain an appearance of "depth and sophistication" through their beverage, they would not be able to appreciate or tolerate it. A real connaisseur could profess to not liking Budweiser without disparaging it as some kind of waste product, and would pay a modicum of respect to its well deserved global popularity.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. I have a friend
who, at a bar, was offered a free bud light. He poured into an empty bottle of a better beer so he wouldn't be seen drinking such swill.

LOL

I'll drink Bud, but I won't buy it.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. While I wouldn't do what your friend did
...I sure wouldn't have been thrilled to down a Bud Light. That stuff is not to my taste at all.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:07 AM
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41. I think it was meant as a joke, more or less...
Sort of playing up the beer-snob thing for those sitting with him. An odd sort of self-deprecating sense of humor, you might say.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. Maybe they just really hate the beer
Maybe they have no pretensions of being sophisticated connoisseurs, they just don't like the beer. McDonald's is the top global brand and there's nothing on their menu I'd call "delicious" and little I wouldn't call sickly gunk. And that's the simple unalloyed truth.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. Indeed, I'm sure they do.
But why waste hate on a beer and indirectly disparage those who may enjoy it?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:04 AM
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40. Because they're people?
People are silly partisans about a lot of inconsequential things like beer, sports, and music. Doesn't mean they're putting on airs when they do it.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #40
42. Well, fair enough.
And if these 'people' want to express their opinions - especially ones so strongly worded - then why shouldn't I? In my personal partisan opinion, folks who refer to Budwesier as "rat piss" are beer snobs.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:14 AM
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45. Are you maybe not from around these parts???
Democratic Underground consists of many different types people, a very divergent group. We as Progressives, have our own very distinct opinions.

Do you have trouble with divergent opinions, hmmmm?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #45
48. I'm sorry, are you insinuating that I'm a troll?
If so, how sure are you that you yourself respect divergent opinions?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #48
58. You sure seem to be getting your panties in a knot about
progressive Capitalists and Budweiser. I want to meet them. I understand you think those of us who despise Junior's favorite beer are slugs.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #58
59. And I understand that you're living up to your moniker.
Believe what you want, demonize those who disagree with you, and wallow in having a closed mind. See if I care.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. Do you know who Junior is? Don't use Google (like you won't)
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #63
67. Yes, I understand you were aligning me with Bush.
Whoo-whee. Boy, you really got me there. Please refer back to the above post.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. Og Goodness you are getting real worked up over Budweiser...LOL
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 12:57 AM by U4ikLefty
even though you don't claim to drink it (yeah right!). Perhaps you have the need to defend your piss-water driinking freinds, I don't know, but I am loving you.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #68
72. I'm thinking about having a Bud now.
You're right, though. I really shouldn't be working myself up over this, although I get annoyed at being called a troll for offering a varying opinion. Knee-jerk troll-baiting is a cheap refuge for those who would avoid giving fair consideration to a different opinion on a matter.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #72
86. Yeah like posting unmerous times in a thread to defend a "beer" which
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 01:15 AM by U4ikLefty
you CLIAM you don't drink often. Now, you wish to drink one in defiance of my posts....lol, you are soooo apparent. I will leave it to others to decode your intent. Enjoy you swill!!!
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #86
88. Alright, then I will.
I'll enjoy my swill. lol
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #88
94. Hey, I'm heading up to Canda for a few days...maybe I'll drink a REAL
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 01:22 AM by U4ikLefty
beer for ya, okay??? You know a Sleeman's Blonde or somthing good like that...not your typical "piss-water" American sellout beer.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #94
99. Good on you. Enjoy!
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #99
103. I will cry in my Sleeman's for ya & your sacrafice....twice,lol!!! n/t
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #103
105. You do that, then. lol n/t
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #67
74. Wrong, Junior is Dale Earnhardt, Jr., the KEY to Bud's
marketing strategy to 25-54 year old demographic. But, some people just don't understand everything about such a huge company.

www.dalejr.com
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #74
77. Well, sorry for misinterpreting. You had just called me a troll.
Do you think Dale Jr. is happy to have Budweiser's money? I bet he is. And I bet he uses some of that money to pay for a wide range of services from all kinds of different companies - big and small. Do you see how this works?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. I never said such a thing, how dare you.
Worried?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #78
81. Of course you did, but in a mealy way.
If you're going to accuse a person of being a troll , just come out and say it instead of hiding behind cheap insinuation that dances around the rules.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #81
85. Apologize, I am offended by your besmirching of my reputation.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #85
89. I'm sure it's stellar.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #74
119. Junior's under contract to drink their product
I was watchin' some show about Junior on MTV once. He explained that his contract with Anheuser-Busch states that if he drinks, in public, any alcoholic beverage not produced by Anheuser-Busch, it's grounds for them to terminate the contract.

You guys who hate Bud, try it with a chili cheeseburger. If you drink it with greasy food, it's actually pretty good. If all you're gonna do is drink beer, you're absolutely right that it's undrinkable. Sam Adams is a real good mass-produced domestic if you're just drinking beer. I have given up on imports. I love real German beers. I even love the 12-mark-per-case beer you can get at German grocery stores. But in THIS fucking town, imported beer, except for Beck's which is even worse than Budweiser, sits in the cooler until it turns skunky. (Beck's avoids the problem of turning skunky with age by being made that way.) I am NOT driving to Raleigh just to buy beer.

Okay, back to Junior's problem: he can drink no alcohol not made by A-B. Anheuser-Busch makes nothing but products that can loosely be called beer. That'd be kinda limiting--I enjoy a mixed drink now and then. I think Junior would too...but he can't have one.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. Okay
If you want to impugn everyone without cause for disparaging a beer, have at it.

BTW, Bud is a pretty weak excuse for a beer. I only keep it stocked in the servant's quarters :)
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #46
51. It's not without cause, though.
I'm responding to very strongly worded opinions. Such opinions do have a way of soliciting contrasting ones.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #51
57. Right
I think liver has the taste and consistency of a cow flop. But I couldn't really mean that, it must be snobbery. Or is it?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #57
69. Well, maybe someone that likes liver will come along...
...and stick up for it. I won't.

But beer is a different story. I've never seen anyone try to put on an air of sophistication by disparaging liver.

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #69
80. Heh, okay
And beer is just beer.

Maybe we can agree that our little subthread is kinda futile and pointless. I'll crack a Guiness and tip a splash for you. See ya.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #80
83. God, it is.
I'll join in in that, and wish you a good day.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #22
32. Fuck global, why we are in trouble with the trade deficit
Tariff everything, squeeze the pukes flooding our country with good beer, why those dirty corporatists. Force our population to drink Bud and Miller, and Rolling Rock and Coors, yessirree, flush the imports down the toilet.

Fuck global popularity, Anheuser Busch spends BILLIONS to fool the public. Know what BILLIONS would do for the poor?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Well, who got those billions?
People with businesses that might otherwise have failed without Budwesier's patronage - not just ad companies, but merchandise makers and distributors and everyone including the truckers shipping their stuff. Those billions kept a lot of people from becoming poor, I'd guess.

I like a wide range of global products, and don't know why you would think I'm for tariffs on foreign goods.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #36
44. hmm I don't know many Progressives who are capitalists
So you think a billion dollar advertising campaign is healthy? And you really think Budwiser partonizes businesses? They are vertically integrated, right down to the truckers. Give me a break. They own the fucking fully automated bottle makers.

Stop you are making me laugh so hard it hurts.:beer: :boring: :rofl: .:beer: :boring: :rofl: .:beer: :boring: :rofl: .:beer: :boring: :rofl:
.:beer: :boring: :rofl: .:beer: :boring: :rofl: .:beer: :boring: :rofl: .:beer: :boring: :rofl:
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. Most progressives I know are capitalists
I think that any time a company spends money on something like an ad campaign, it helps businesses (and thus ordinary people like you and me) to make money. When they hoard money in offshore accounts or shady investments, then they do nothing to help the economy. I'm not professing love for powerful corporations here, but don't think there's a thing wrong with them spreading money around to other businesses for the good of both.

To say that Budwesier does everything in house is the real laugh. Do you think they have a factory somewhere making Halloween decorations, for instance? Of course they don't - such contracts are farmed out to independent suppliers.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #47
53. To think you have inside knowledge of how Anheuser Busch works
is laughable, and your "friends" who are Progressive Dem's and are capitalists, I'd like to meet them. And since when did the Folks at Budweiser start making Halloween costumes? They make beer, did you know that?

On that hilarious note, I say goodnight. Enjoy your dreams of a capitalist utopia.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #53
56. This is simple economics, and free of politics.
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 12:31 AM by cigsandcoffee



When an entity spends money, somebody receives that money. Most progressives are very happy when they receive money that someone has spent, for instance the many shopkeepers and merchants I know from personal and business dealings. A great frind of mine (and ultra-progressive) owns a comic book store and music shop that's something of a famous local landmark. He is all too happy to receive money for one of his guitars or graphic novels, and being in Tampa, he often sells them to employees and contractors associated with Budwesier. Do you see how that works?


And I never said Budweiser made Halloween costumes, I was referring to the decorations they place in convenience stores around the holidays. If you think Budwesier makes those things themselves instead of contracting with smaller companies producing such wares, then it is you that is kidding yourself.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. ahhh "trickle down" economics, LOL...that's soooo 80's!!! n/t
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #60
64. I am not talking about 'trickle-down' economics
I am talking about the reality I see everyday. Spending money within our economy is a good thing, and I'm not sure how anyone that lives in this country could disagree with that. How do you get income, if not from the spending of other people? Does it magically appear in your account?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #56
61. Their ad agency is responsible for the marketing flotsam
(sigh) I want to meet your friends. I really do. Progressive Capitalists is a title I made up.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #61
66. What sort of system would you prefer?
Even the strictest European or Asian socialism requires a free market and the marketing of goods and services. I am thinking you are not very sophisticated on this subject, and are having a knee-jerk reaction to a single word - "Capitalism" - instead of taking any time to consider the realities of the world around you. Are you a student?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #66
70. I am 55, a degree in marketing, a life-long Dem
and great at dissecting bs. Vertical integration, that is the system when a manufacturer owns all the facets of production to reap the most profit from their goods. Anheuser Busch is such a company, like Sony once was, like the cereal giants are now.

They make one of the cheapest made, yet most expensive beers on the market, and fool the masses with advertising.


I have a clue.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #70
73. OK. How do you make money?
Do you get compensation for your services to a company which uses them to make money themselves, or are you self-employed?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #73
76. Self-employed, and you? And don't lecture me anymore
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #76
79. I'm also self employed.
And I would be very happy if a Budweiser employee or contractor spent money on my product. Wouldn't you?

No need to answer, I'll stop the lecturing. I felt compelled to defend myself.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #79
82. Why defend yourself, uncomfortable?
You insist Bud's parent company is a good thing, we disagree. Does that upset you?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #82
87. If you want to continue the discussion.
Then you'll have to answer the question about whether or not you'd be happy to make money from a Budweiser employee or contractor. Otherwise, a good day to you.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #87
90. No, I think I made my point. Enjoy.
I still want to meet your Capitalist progressive friends.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. Exhibiting ignorance of the world that you live in...
...is far from making a point. Someone who is self-employed should know better.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #93
96. I worked for the Japanese for 15 years
Ignorance of the world? I think you underestimate.Sorry you think insults are important to the discussion.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #96
98. Well, I'm sorry you think mockery like...
the cartoonish repetition of "your progressive capitalist friends" are important to the discussion, but that doesn't seem to be stopping you either.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #98
104. It just did. I have decided to ignore this discussion.
I am happy with who I am, comfortable in my political and financial place in the world, goodbye. Good luck with your "product". Oh, and the repetition was not cartoonish, just a request you avoided.

Ta ta

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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #104
106. Bye, then. :-)
(waves)
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #79
92. What do you do? lobby? trade representative? What?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #92
97. I sell a product.
People can't have my product until they pay me, because I can't otherwise pay the people who help me to deliver my product to the market. And so on and so forth, all around the world. That's the way things work.

If my product was something that Budweiser needed to sell theirs, than so much the better for me.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #70
100. Misleading
There are multiple reasons to vertically integrate. Not all are directly profit-related. One of the most common causes of vertical integration, in the US at least, is to ensure a certain level of quality and accountability at the retail level...well, standardization is more like it. Additionally, US antitrust law can be problematic for manufacturers attempting to ensure a certain quality level at the retail level. There's very little in the law to prevent a company from running the show in its own way when it owns it, top to bototm.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #100
102. Indeed
But one area where much of the effort is contracted and done outside the organization are marketing campaigns. That fellow's mentioning of Dale Earnhardt Jr. is an example of that. Large ad campaigns spread money throughout an economy.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #100
107. I disagree completely
Anti-trust laws. When was the last time this mis-Administration enforced them? NO ONE cares about quality at retail, that is why so large is out trade deficit. Do you think that the foreign suppliers that have overtaken our markets care about quality?

Wal-mart claims their customers only want the lowest price. when we as manufacturers from Japan negotiated TV contracts with Wal-mart, Target and Best Buy, the issue of quality never came up, only what is your lowest landed price.

dreaming, something some do so much with this group of thieves in the White House.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. I don't know what you disagreed with
...but it has nothing to do with whether or not large ad campaigns spread money in to an economy, which was my assertion.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #108
109. Calm down this wasn't about you, this was in reponse to somone else.
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 01:46 AM by U4ikLefty
Relax & have another piss-water.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #107
110. Misunderstanding
1. The word quality does not refer to an absolute scale of value. To bemoan the quality of retail merchandise in general is to miss the specific point. 'A certain level of quality' means exactly what it says. It may be 2 steps up from completely worthless, but that may the level a manufacturer has chosen.

2. Most cases which made vertical integration attractive, in terms of the law, stemmed from private suits under section 15 of the Sherman Act. In fact, the original case concerning resale price maintenance, good old Dr. Miles, was a suit brought by a disgruntled retail seller against a manufacturer. The Sherman Act provides for both public and private enforcement. If you want to really blame the current sad state of antitrust law on someone, blame the federal courts. After all, they make almost all the law on the subject.

3. Your anecdotal experience in one industry is irrelevant to the practices of other industries. Some are more concerned with service and other factors on the retail level because product differentiation is minimal.

4. The trade deficit is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:58 AM
Response to Reply #110
113. Anecdotal my wrinkled old ass.
We're not talking about price fixing or fair trade here, and fair trade is practiced in virtually zero industries (liquor in NJ is still fair traded). We're talking economics of scale, and today, vertically integrated companies manufacture not for the common good of mankind but to make maximum profit. When a company starts worrying about quality again will be when my brown eyes turn blue.

You sit across from the buyer at Wal-Mat and tell him you will not reduce your container load price by $1.50 per unit nor give him $15,000 per container in market development funds and see if your anecdotal company stays competitive. What is practiced there is hostage economics, something the purists won't put in their textbooks. Check out the example of Vlasic pickles and learn a lesson.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

The trade deficit has EVERYTHING to do with your discussion. If we still manufactured 1/10th of what we did here 10 years ago, made in the USA would mean something. Manufacturers don't "choose" the level of quality, they choose how cheaply they can make it. Take off your economics 101 professor's hat and come back to planet Earth, it stopped being perfect here a long time ago.

Oh by the way, did you ever sweat your job knowing that if your counter-offer was turned down, you'd be blamed for the loss of business and market share?

I bet not.
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #113
142. It's anecdotal
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anecdotal

1. Mind your tone. Don't patronize me.

2. I don't know whether you fail to understand quality, as I have used it, is relative or whether you choose not to understand it. You are fixated on one word, not the phrase 'A CERTAIN LEVEL OF QUALITY.' I gave a possible definition of this phrase in my last post. Reread it. Parse the text, if you will.

3. Your personal experience in one industry does not mean the same is true of every industry. To argue that because it was this way at Wal-Mart, it must be that way everywhere doesn't make sense.

4. The trade deficit means jack squat when we're talking about an industry that has chosen to vertically integrate in order to ensure quality (OF WHATEVER SORT, READ THIS REALLY CLOSE) at the retail level. The trade deficit is part of a broader spectrum that has no part in the very limited discussion at hand.

5. The econ professor remark was cute. I note no discussion of the relation of antitrust law to vertical integration. Why is that? From your overbearing tone, I assumed you knew it all. Could it be...you didn't understand what I wrote? Of course not.

Respond if you like. I am done. If this continues, it will be nothing but a flame fest.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #22
50. I don't think I'm a "beer snob," but ANY beer that's made from rice is...
... um... not good beer. And it gets worse when it gets slightly warmer than ice cold -- gotta drink that stuff fast. But just about any beer that's made from barley and has enough hops to taste is okay with me.

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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #50
62. I'm not asking anyone to like it.
But felt compelled to comment on the "piss-water" mindset. Just about anything that isn't a heifewiezen tastes weak to me, but I'm not going to harshly disparage somebody else's choice. Neither are you, I'd guess.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #22
84. I don't like any of the big American beers...
Though I wasn't much of a beer drinker until I spent six months in Germany, so I was probably just spoiled rotten on the best Bavarian beers (mmm, Weissbier) and my taste buds haven't recovered. ;-)

I haven't had a Bud in a long while, but I remember it being more bland and inconsequential than really being nasty or like piss, though I have quite a taste for the heavier and richer beers--Weissbier (hey, it was Bavaria), Stouts, Black Lager--so even if Bud were a connoisseur's delight, I'd still probably not like it, to be honest.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:57 AM
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133. Some people don't like the stronger/heavier beers. It's preference. nt
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:39 AM
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121. i was a beer snob when i was about 23
ya know, drinking porters, stouts, blah blah blah.

don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a $7 bottle of beer. shit, the paper wrapping on a bottle of belgian frambozenbier used to make me feel like i was so cool.

but, i have to agree that nothing really does beat a budweiser or even a miller high life: simplicity; cheap; and refreshing (insofar as any alcoholic beverage can be refreshing).

but that snobbery crap: you can have it.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:36 PM
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24. TOP TEN BEERS
http://www.ratebeer.com/default.asp

1 Westvleteren Abt 12 shelftag 4.51 760 Abt/Quadrupel

2 Three Floyds Dark Lord Russian Imperial Stout shelftag 4.42 371 Imperial Stout

3 Three Floyds Oak Aged Dark Lord Russian Imperial Stout shelftag 4.39 62 Imperial Stout

4 AleSmith Speedway Stout shelftag 4.35 510 Imperial Stout

5 Rochefort Trappistes 10 shelftag 4.35 1064 Abt/Quadrupel

6 Great Lakes Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout shelftag 4.32 54 Imperial Stout

7 Bells Expedition Stout shelftag 4.32 692 Imperial Stout

8 Three Floyds Dreadnaught Imperial IPA shelftag 4.3 573 Imperial/Double IPA

9 Kuhnhenn Raspberry Eisbock shelftag 4.29 210 Fruit Beer

10 Westvleteren Extra 8 shelftag 4.27 546 Belgian Strong Ale


I particullary like the name of this one ranked 31:

Hair of the Dog Fred from the Wood, http://www.hairofthedog.com/


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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:23 PM
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138. Hmmm..."KansDem's Home Brew" isn't on that list...
LOL!!!

I home-brewed about 10 years ago...developed quite a repertoire of good-tasting beer, with KansDem's Red becoming the house favorite.

Damn, that list has made me thirsty! Time to get out all the equipment and start up my hobby again(?)
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 08:06 PM
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141. THAT'S GREAT
At first I missed it, but then on second read understood. Quite a laugh.
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Xeric Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 11:48 PM
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34. The real reason you should hate Bud
Yes, in my opinion it tastes like crap. It's been dumbed down many times over the years. The main reason it sells so well is because of the massive ad budget.
But that's not why I hate the company.
It's because for decades they have practised predatory capitalism. Buying up small breweries just to put them out of business. Bullying distributors and retail outlets into only carrying their stuff. Pushing out competition using what I consider unethical business practises. In recent years they've been using political clout to force their product where it isn't wanted in Europe. Another case of the ugly American corporation doing whatever it takes to force their way in. Europe has a fine tradition of brewing. It would be a shame to see it damaged by this 800 pound gorilla.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:20 AM
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49. It's the worst I've tasted.
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 12:21 AM by onehandle
Odds are that there must be a worse beer out there. Somewhere.

One time I was at a company all day meeting in another city. It was a two hour chartered bus ride there and back. We had juice and sodas provided for us on the morning ride. During the day our boss told some of us that he would have ice cold beers for us on the way back. I was looking forward to a nice brew at the end of a long hot boring day.

Cans of Budweiser were handed out. I had a bottled water.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:22 AM
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52. Budwieser - Ick. I'd rather drink
dog piss (well, I'd rather not drink either one). That crap is some nasty beer.
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PinkUnicorn Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:09 AM
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127. Put it back in the Clydesdale
Back In The Clydesdale
by Mike Campbell © 2004

I went to the bar after working all day,
And ordered a dark Guinness Beer.
But the Yuppies were chatting so thick on their cell phones,
I guess the barman did not hear.
He brought me a glass and a tall boy of Bud,
And set them down in front of me,
Well I coughed and I sputtered in pure disbelief,
And sang out this chorus with glee.

OOOOO
Put that Budweiser back in the Clydesdale,
Its not the right flavor for me.
The color’s all wrong and there’s not enough foam,
And its got all the kick of weak tea.
Now pour me a pint of that good Guinness Stout,
With color you cannot see through.
Put that Budweiser back in the Clydesdale, boys,
And pour me a beer that is true.

Then the waitress came by when I’d finished my first one,
An angry young woman named Jill,
She snatched up my empty without even looking,
And went off to find a refill.
Then she brought back a glass of some pale liquid garbage,
And said, “Here’s the Bud you asked for.”
Well I gave her a glare that would knock down a horse,
And sang out this chorus once more.

Chorus

So if ever you’re seeking a beer with good flavor,
To finish your day or your meal.
If they serve you a Millers, a Coors or a Bud,
Or some other brand that ain’t real,
If the “King of Beers” is the only selection,
I hope that you’ll answer like this,
Put that Budweiser back in the Clydesdale, boys,
I won’t drink twelve ounces of....uh....that lousy beer.

Chorus
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:05 AM
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144. Hahahaaa! Thanks, PinkUnicorn! (n/t)
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:45 AM
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65. I drink Bud Light because my friends always buy it
Instead of paying the extra few bucks for Heinekin, Corona, or Amber. Of course their objective when they drink beer is to get really drunk, so they like that it's light and cheap. I'm more into the taste of beer and less interested in getting drunk.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:31 AM
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132. In US 75% of all beer is consumed by men ages 18-35.
So, yes, a lot of them aren't going to choose Gucci microbrews for this purpose.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 06:13 PM
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140. That's a really interesting statistic
What's the deal with men over 35? Does beer lose its appeal or does the 18-35 just binge drink so much that the consumption is so high for that age group?
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:21 AM
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95. Blame FIFA
If the Germans have a complaint, they can direct it to FIFA. It makes no sense to blame the one chosen rather than the one who made the choice. Oh, and they can blame other beer companies for not ponying up, too. Personally, I find Bud to be a 'polite beer.' I drink it only when I want to have a drink or two to be polite, but have no desire to get drunk. It works admirably for that task.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:29 AM
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101. I agree, even you are MUCH more af a gentleman than I am
I cannot drink that garbage & will resort to water, but I get your drift. True enough, if anyone wishes to "blame" anyone, then they should point the finger to FIFA & their money-grubbing a$$e$!!!
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:19 AM
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112. They did. After a lot of complaining "Bitburger" was allowed entrance.
But Bud is allowed three times the number of concession stands.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 08:28 AM
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117. DIdn't see this thread
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 08:31 AM
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118. S'alright
This one's turned into a fistfight over beer. Yours is still on topic :)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 09:41 AM
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122. I did notice
that :D All things considered, I'd rather have a Red Stripe.
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OxQQme Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:26 AM
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128. Just for grins:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 10:28 AM
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129. LOL n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:12 AM
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136. To Germany!
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 11:13 AM by JackRiddler
This campaign is an obvious backfire.

Here's a glass to the Reinheitsgebot of 1519. That's the beer standard - earliest example of a quality standard I can think of, in the land of TUV.

The real Budweiser is an excellent pilsner made in Prague and widely available in Berlin alongside Jever.

Berlin is not the prime beer town - too much Jever, Becks, Schultheiss, Bit.

You want to go to Koeln and have the Koelsch - served in .2 liter glasses, always fresh and cold, straight from one of 200 breweries in the area.

Or have a Dunkel in Dusseldorf.

Or take the Weizenbier anywhere.

All the best beer is in Prague, though.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:19 AM
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145. Sorry, people in Germany have no right to complain
Edited on Tue Jun-20-06 09:20 AM by genie_weenie
After all the Officials made a deal for money and as everyone at the DU knows Germany as a Soverign Nation can do as it pleases and if they wish to take money and ignore their own laws (German Purity Law) so be it...
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mnmoderatedem Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:19 AM
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146. Why is Budweiser like having sex in a canoe?
It's fucking close to water. :evilgrin:
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