Fox News is now saying that potential missile launch by North Korea

could potentially strike many US cities in the lower 48.

No Fox news fan here, but it seems feasible that a PRK icbm could reach the West coast.

that was thought to be able reach the West Coast. Welcome to the party.

The thing that got my attention is that most of the other news media this morning are saying that this missile might be able to hit Alaska, then all of a sudden Fox news comes out with this.

At any rate the is much conflicting information in the media this morning so I wonder if any of them know what is going on. It's just something I think one should keep an eye on today as time does seem to be of the essence.

I post, you decide.

Yet another reason to be pissed off that the air force is tied up bombing defenseless countries.

Once again, KJI has timed his demonstration very well to catch US media attention. Sometimes I wish we could contract him out to advise Dem campaigns (on strategy, not policy, of course...)

Oh, I guess that's not important anymore, since everyone knows it's a joke. I guess it's just good enough for Foxbush Nooz to scare a good percent of the populace.

or maybe red. That way they can run yellow, red, and brown (for the invaders from Mexico) simultaneously

and decided to go bomb a country that was no threat to us isntead of paying attention to ACTUAL nascent/possible threats.



That's our pretzeldent!

*cue canned laughter*

Once again, thank you Mr. President ..... you stopped talking to them
and they developed nukes & missiles ..... Clinton talked to them
and they didn't develop nukes or missiles.

That was the Administration's reaction to the "supposed" threat. I think even hard right winger horse molester Paul Harvey is starting to turn on this bunch..

He's the dumbest of the dumb and he reports anything and everything he's told, even if it's been debunked for years. Case in point, the BS story, "Ollie North's warning about Bin Laden before anyone knew who Bin Laden was". Harevey smugly reported it as fact as recently as last year even though it's been debunked since 2001.

More like a molester of fresh liver at the deli

has long range missles. and we've shown that we are not afraid to use them.

I thought that Iraq was THE #1 threat to freedom, democracy and yadda yadda yadda:shrug:

To figure out how this can be blamed on the Clinton administration.

Seems to be the only thing they can do anymore.

North Korea will be joining the other nuclear powers that also have ICBM capabilities. Perhaps now would be a good time to normalize relations with North Korea rather than seeing if we can provoke them.

Shock & Awe part Deux

walk up that big bear and poke it in the eye with a stick.

That is, scaring the living shit out of the mindless American consumer.

Bush's glory week is over! Bwahahaha!

Even if they launched one nuclear weapon that struck a remote tip of Alaska, they know that the US can (and most likely would) turn them into a pile of rubble almost immediately.

actually has a nuclear warhead on it, just one that can go a great distance. But looking at how conflicting the media sources are today it's hard telling what is going on.

It'd be like tossing a pebble at Hulk Hogan, and thinking you can get away with it.

Like most strngmen, he's a survivor first and foremost. He knows darn well that he could never take on the US and live to tell about it.

Immigrants
Gays
Flagburners
Hugo Chavez
Ahmadinhajad
Fidel
Kim Jong Il
China
Terrorists
Insurgents

It's getting mighty hard just to keep up.

The question is, is this permanent or temporary?

ability to launch a long range threat.

It would seem that if North Korea could strike the "lower 48," that it could certainly strike Hawaii, and I suspect Alaska. So why not just say "North Korea could strike the United States?"

Was Hawaii and Alaska a given all this time? Were they expendable because they're "way out there somewhere" and thusly on their own? Or does it just sound more sinister to say "lower 48..."

That was what the test was about which they did a few years ago when the lobbed a missle over Japan.

if they build a three stage it could hit most cities in the usa. this missle could hit most of the west coast. oh ya the boys and girl are trying to figure out how to stop this test.china,japan,south korea,usa,and russia are all trying to figure out how to stop it. japan is really pissed and calling for real action if the test happens.
remember while the bush whitehouse gets tied up in the middle east the real threat now is north korea and china in the future.

The missile is not all that hard, guiding it precisely is another matter. Then you have to get a weapon that will work aboard it. Not trivial matters.

There has been some speculation that the US or others will attempt to destroy it in the boost phase once it is over international waters. Be interesting to see.

There is also well definined protocol for notificiations and telemetry. Have to wonder if that is going to be followed.

WE NEED DUMBASS AT THE HELM. Because he is protecting everyone.

The nuke they are suspected of having cannot fit the missle.

But its FOXNEWS so they must leave out key facts and promote fear.

whatever Faux.

Plastic wrap
duct tape
powdered milk
tuna

Am I missing anything for the mushroom cloud panic party? It's been what, 3 years since the last panic party so I may have forgotten a few items. :eyes:

United States

U.S. Nuclear Forces, 2004
Type Name Launchers Year deployed Warheads x yield (kilotons) Warheads active/spares

ICBMs
LGM-30G Minuteman III
Mk-12 150 1970 1 W62 x 170 150
Mk-12 50 1970 3 W62 x 170 (MIRV) 150/15
Mk-12A 300 1979 3 W78 x 335 (MIRV) 900/20
LGM-118A MX/Peacekeeper 29 1986 10 W87 x 300 (MIRV) 290/50
Total 529 1,490/85

SLBMs
UGM-96A Trident I C4 72/3 1979 6 W76 x 100 (MIRV) 432
UGM-133A Trident II D5 288/12
Mk-4 1992 8 W76 x 100 (MIRV) 1,920/156
Mk-5 1990 8 W88 x 475 (MIRV) 384/16
Total 360/15 2,736/172

Bombers
B-52 Stratofortress 94/56* 1961 ALCM/W80-1 x 5–150 430/20
ACM/W80-1 x 5–150 430/20
B-2 Spirit 21/16 1994 B61-7, -11, B83-1 bombs 800/45
Total 115/72 1,660/85

Non-strategic forces
Tomahawk SLCM 325 1984 1 W80-0 x 5–150 320
B61-3, -4, -10 bombs n/a 1979 0.3–170 800/40
Total 325 1,120/40


Grand total** ~7,000/382


North Korea

Possibly 1

Pacific anything they would send our way and then send N. Korea a few reminders of why it was a dumb idea in the first place.

How in the hell does the government think the scare strategy is still effective. Honestly, you would have to be insane to be worried about N. Korea... seriously.

Iran, North Korea... they don't want nukes in hopes of striking their enemies, especially us. They want them to be respected as a World power and have more negotiating leverage especially when they deal with us. Not to mention with their neighbors who will give in more in negotiations if they fear upsetting a nuclear rival.

North Korea has been pushing to get more from us for years, The Bush Administration hasn't even sat down to negotiate and now they are to the point where they are testing. We had them in check and like the usual security of our country habits of Bushco, they have fucked the whole thing up for us.

Rp

They know this, and I doubt that egomaniac Kim Jong Il (sp?) wants to die.