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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:16 PM
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Reclaim the Issues - "Occupation, Not War" by Thom Hartmann
link- http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0619-22.htm
Reclaim the Issues - "Occupation, Not War"
by Thom Hartmann

Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "War in Iraq" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.
There is no longer a war against Iraq.

It ended in May of 2003, when George W. Bush stood below a "Mission Accomplished" sign aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln and correctly declared that we had "victoriously" defeated the Iraqi army and overthrown their government.

Our military machine is tremendously good at fighting wars - blowing up infrastructure, killing opposing armies, and toppling governments. We did that successfully in Iraq, in a matter of a few weeks. We destroyed their army, wiped out their air defenses, devastated their Republican Guard, seized their capitol, arrested their leaders, and took control of their government. We won the war. It's over.

What we have now is an occupation of Iraq.

The occupation began when the war ended, and continues to this day. According to our own Pentagon estimates, at least ninety five percent of those attacking our soldiers are Iraqi civilians who view themselves as anti-occupation fighters. And last week both the Defense Minister and the Vice President of Iraq asked us for a specific date on which the occupation would end.
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Thom frames it really well & then gives an example on how a TV interview might go if the Democrats frame the issue as an Iraqi occupation instead of an Iraqi war.
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:19 PM
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1. Thank goodness for Thom Hartmann...
He's one of the most important progressive voices America.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:24 PM
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2. Thanks for replying maramar
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:27 PM
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3. Hartmann is right, OCCUPATION is what we have and will be doing
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 01:54 PM by LaPera
for many years, as long as there is oil in the region...The US is building a dozen or more permanent military bases in Iraq, US is also building massive air strips, & the largest embassy/fortress in the world outside of Baghdad...the US has NO plans to what so ever to leave Iraq.

They will occupy Iraq, control the oil flow and carry out missions against other nations in the oil rich region from the bases in Iraq.

No matter what they say, the military is there to protect the oil companies interest and the US will never leave...They may bring some troops home...but there will always be 50 to 60 thousand troops or more permanently occupying Iraq!!!
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:33 PM
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5. Thanks for replying LaPera
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:32 PM
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4. Didn't the Decider himself say something to the effect that ...........
Iraqis are occupied and that nobody likes being occupied.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:39 PM
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6. Thanks for replying smokey nj, he might have, I'm not sure
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:34 PM
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7. Randi is talking about something very similar right now. Kidnap VS POW
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 02:36 PM by Minnesota_Lib
They insist on calling it a war, but when two of our soldiers are captured they call it them kidnap victims instead of POWs.

The guys are experts in propaganda. They frame issues and events by the creative use of language.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:29 PM
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9. Thanks for replying Minnesota_Lib, like Randi said maybe we should call
Rita Cosby & tell her about a "hot" kidnap story!! Have her cover the story of our guys that were kidnapped in Iraq. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:53 PM
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8. People better get used to it. it's been and going to be a long occupation.
BushCo insisting it's a war does not make it true. It is now and has been an American occupation.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:30 PM
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10. Hi GreenTea, Welcome to DU & thanks for replying
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:33 PM
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11. Thank you everyone for voting this thread onto the greatest page
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:37 PM
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12. Excellent points!
Take the Bushists at their word that the mission we got shanghaied into was accomplished (for better or worse) a month after the war started. So what are we doing their now? We're occupying. Makes perfect sense.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:42 PM
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15. Thanks for replying BurtWorm
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:37 PM
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13. This is actually brilliant.
This isn't something they could spin away very easily. I hope the word gets out.

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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:44 PM
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16. Thanks for replying The_Casual_Observer, I hope the word gets out too!!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:40 PM
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14. Bingo
This should be a major Dem talking point and is the reason for that massive elephant beign built in the green zone.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:45 PM
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17. Thanks for replying malaise
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ArmchairMeme Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:56 PM
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19. What's in a word
Could Iraqis say that these U.S. soldiers are now enemy combatents and afford them the same treatment that has been done for kidnap victims who are now in Guantanamo?
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:03 PM
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20. Thanks for replying ArmchairMeme
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:50 PM
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18. It NEVER was a real war.......Bush/Cheney decided to call it that
Contrary to what Bush told us, I think he DID want to be a "war president". :thumbsdown:
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:06 PM
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21. Thanks for replying young_at_heart, well he was a war president for a
month until he declared that "major operations in Iraq are over" :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:13 PM
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22. Busholini did say Iraq was Occupied.
I heard him say it on TV. To now say the two soldiers were kidnapped instead of "captured" points to Occupation not a War. If there was an actual War then the troops would be POWs wouldn't they?

The Bush Regime claims that Iraq is now a Sovereign Nation yet Iraq is still being managed by the Bush Regime. It is a farce! The Iraqis know this. Most Americans do not.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:38 PM
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24. Thanks for replying Disturbed
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:18 PM
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23. Yes, and that gives them justification for continuing The Patriot Act and
for false claims that we need all this spying on citizens in the name of "National Security." Ever noticed how often spokespeople for the administration excuse their behavior and policies (including stifling dissent) by saying "We're at war"?

The real WAR being waged right now by our own country is AGAINST ORDINARY U.S. CITIZENS!!
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:39 PM
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25. Thanks for replying checks-n-balances
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 07:38 PM
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26. I definitely agree with Thom on this.
I've heard other people say this too. Thom spent some time on this point today while guest hosting on the Majority Report. I love that man!

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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:32 PM
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27. Kick
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 02:29 AM
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28. Let's flood the dems with this
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 05:30 AM
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29. For example, look at how powerfully the message works here:
A poster over at AmericaBlog did an excellent example of what it could (and should) sound like:



http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=katsiva&comment=115074249396174886#1683801

Here's a "for example" scenario - fictitious at this moment - of how Democrats should play it out:

(Tim Russert): So, Senator Reid, what do you think of this most recent news from the War In Iraq?

(Senator Reid): The war ended in May of 2003, Tim. Our military did their usual brilliant job, and we defeated Saddam's army. The Occupation Of Iraq, however, isn't going so well, in large part because the Bush Administration has totally botched the job, leading to the death of thousands of our soldiers, and dragging our nation into disrepute around the world. I'd like to see us greatly scale down the current Occupation of Iraq, redeploy our Occupation Forces to nearby nations in case we're needed by the new Iraqi government, and get our brave young men and women out of harm's way. Occupations have a nasty way of fomenting civil wars, you know, and we don't want this one to go any further than it has.

(Tim Russert): But isn't the War In Iraq part of the Global War On Terror?

(Senator Reid): Our Occupation Of Iraq is encouraging more Muslims around the world to eye us suspiciously. Some may even be inspired by our Occupation of this Islamic nation to take up arms or unconventional weapons against us, perhaps even here at home, just as Osama Bin Laden said he hit us on 9/11 because we were occupying part of his homeland, Saudi Arabia, at the Prince Sultan Air Force Base, where Bush Senior first put troops in 1991 to project force into Kuwait and enforce the Iraqi no-fly zone. The Bush policy of an unending Occupation Of Iraq is increasing the danger that people will use the tactic of terror against us and our allies, and, just like George W. Bush wisely redeployed our troops from Saudi Arabia, we should begin right now to redeploy our troops who are occupying Iraq.

(Tim Russert): But the War...

(Senator Reid): Tim, Tim, Tim! The war is over! George W. Bush declared victory himself, in May of 2003, when our brave soldiers seized control of Iraq. That's the definition of the end of a war, as anybody who's ever served in the military can tell you. Unfortunately, our Occupation Of Iraq since the end of the war, using a small military force and a lot of Halliburton, hasn't worked. We should take Halliburton's billions and give them to the Iraqis so they can rebuild their own nation, the way we helped Europeans rebuild after World War Two. And go from being an occupying power to being an ally of Iraq and the Iraqi people, like we did with Japan and Germany.

(Tim Russert (bewildered)): I can't call it a war anymore? We have to change our NBC "War In Iraq" banners and graphics?

(Senator Reid (patting Russert's hand)): Yes, Tim. The war is over. It's now an occupation, and has been for three years. And like all occupations, it's best to wrap it up so Iraq can get on with their business. I'm sure your graphics people can come up with some new logos that say "Occupation Of Iraq." It'll be a nice project for them, maybe even earn them some much-needed overtime pay. The "War In Iraq" graphics are getting a bit stale, don't you think? After all, soon we'll be able to say that we fought World War II in less time than we've been in Iraq. Wars are usually short, but occupations - particularly when they're done stupidly - can be hellish.

(Tim Russert (brightening)): Ah, so! Now I get it! I even wrote about wars and occupations in my book about my dad. Thanks for coming on the program today and clarifying this for us.

If the Democrats don't shift the discussion from "war" to "occupation," the Republicans will succeed in painting them as being "in favor of losing a war," which will destroy their electoral possibilities.

Instead, every time a Republican or a member of the press uses the Rove slogan "War in Iraq," Democrats need to correct them by saying, "You mean the Occupation of Iraq..."
FramersForANewConstitution | 06.19.06 - 3:13 pm | #


Maybe we should print this out and blast fax it to all the Dem leaders, with a followup copy on Sunday morning before they all get on TV and start using the Reichwing language again.
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:10 AM
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30. I thought that was part of the original article
But yes, let's fax and email!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:35 AM
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31. Hartmann's correct
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:46 AM
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32. A Bush/PNAC fiasco. Much more help in the "occupation" was the plan.
Then we move on to Syria, Iran.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:58 AM
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33. I've always called it the war ON Iraq
but will change to the "Occupation of Iraq" - which is what I predicted it would be when we invaded them over 3 years ago. Everyone at my former place of employment was wearing red white & blue to "show support" . When asked where my colors were, I asked what colors we'd be wearing for the occupation. "Oh there won't be an occupation" was the response. I can only hope that her eyes are open now
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 10:19 PM
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34. "Occupation". Dems can frame the debate by telling it like it is. (n/t)
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