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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:44 AM
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Religious group breaks ground for privatley run religious dorm at UW
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=439062

Benjamin Fortin does not mince words when discussing Ogg Hall, a University of Wisconsin-Madison dormitory where he lived last year.

"It was no fun," the sophomore said with a sigh. "I was on the bad floor."

A socially conservative, practicing Presbyterian, Fortin was turned off by the drinking, smoking and general troublemaking that went on in the dorm. He craved a more serene place to lay his head.

As the university's Presbyterian ministry sees it, Fortin is not alone. The ministry, known as Pres House, is spending $17 million to build a private residence hall for the university's students of faith.

The dorm, which will offer religious programming and a possibly alcohol-free environment, is among a growing number of religiously run residence halls popping up near public universities across the country.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:46 AM
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1. I see nothing wrong with this as long as the students are
CHOOSING to be in the dorm (as opposed to being forced or assigned to live there).

I rather suspect it will be mostly empty, though.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:48 AM
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2. and as long as it's the ministry's money. n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:53 AM
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6. Apparently, it is.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:11 AM
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8. Freshman are forced to live in dorms in some University's (unless they
are living at parents home. I believe UW-Madison has this policy.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:30 AM
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11. I think it's the same at UW Stevens Point
Unless you live within 45 mi. of UWSP and live with your parents, If you're a freshman or sophomore, you have to live in the dorms.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:11 AM
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10. I think the Young Republicans have found a home.
If you think their indoctrination into dirty works was bad before, well get ready for the holy wars.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:32 AM
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12. Actually, I know a few young repukes at Point...
The were the bigget boozers I ever knew. One had a habit of carrying his booze with him in his Nalgene. He'd also brag about how today was the xth day in a row that he was drunk.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:50 AM
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16. And that would be different, how?
I've always wondered how many transgressions are taking place behind closed right-wing church doors. If it took hundreds of years of sexual abuse victims to finally come together to expose the Catholic church, how much will it take to expose the Baptist and Fundamental Churches? When you have that much power over people, bad things are bound to happen.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:03 PM
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19. Then again, the guy I mention was no fundie.
He's an athiest, IIRC. Is even a member of the freethought association at UWSP.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:48 AM
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3. If that's what they choose to do, God bless'em. nt
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:49 AM
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4. ROFL
"possibly alcohol-free environment"

:rofl: :rofl:


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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:45 AM
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15. Presbyterians? Alcohol free? Not a chance!
Even the Calvinist/Reformed and Puritan fathers of Presbyterianism were ardent advocates of the moderate consumption of alcohol. (Martin Luther could drink a lot of us under the table!) Noted 19th-century Presbyterian theologian J. Gresham Meachen wrote at length in opposition to the teetotalism of the extreme fundamentalists (largely Baptistic and Arminian, as opposed to the Calvinistic bent of the Presbyterians). He inveighed heavily against Prohibition, too, and he was no theological liberal, either. He believed (and IMHO correctly) that the idea that the Bible was against all alcohol consumption was pure nonsense. I had a fundie pastor try to tell me the wine Jesus made was grape juice. How dunderheaded can you get?

Though I don't see much moderation in college-dorm alcohol consumption... :beer: :beer: :beer: :D

Todd in Beerbratistan :toast:

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 05:51 AM
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5. The trash cans in my dorm smelled of vomit
Some rite of passage we had in that dorm on that big, repressed campus on the prarie. Go Boilermakers!
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:38 AM
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13. Did they try to flush whole potatoes down the toilet?
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 07:39 AM by JonathanChance
Or shit in the shower stalls?
Or rip down all the exit signs on the men's side of the building and one on the Womens Side?
Or rip out the wall-mounted wastebasket in the bathroom?
Or stuff the urinals with toilet paper?
Or rip off the shower heads?
Or puke in the drinking fountain?

This is what happened on the third floor of my res hall last year (I lived on first floor, thank the gods)

Note: This fall, the third floor of this building will be an alcohol-free floor. All but one of last year's male residents decided not to live there next year.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:22 AM
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17. There they are. The future leaders of our great country.
You have to seize the opportunity when it presents itself. Take advantage of any opportunity to learn and grow. (:sarcasm:, like I need to point that out)
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:05 AM
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7. I vaguely recall something about four Yale students
who were orthodox Jews, they wanted permission to live off campus due to their orthodox practices. They did not approve of the lifestyles in the dorms to which they were assigned. I don't know what came of their case.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:27 AM
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9. The ministry....is spending $17 million to build a private residence hall
A ministry is spending its own money to build a private (not public) residence hall. What's the problem? If it is private, they cannot just assign students to live there. The ministry will probably weed out who it wants in there. The article suggests that they hall is being paid for out of church money. Again, what is wrong with that? I see nothing at all amiss here. Now, if it turns out that the campus has just given them land, or that some state money is being used, that is a different story altogether. But this is a mainline congregation providing alternative housing for students who desire to life a certain kind of lifestyle...probably for nosy parents to stick their little lambs to keep them safe from evil, too. So, unless there is a breech of church and state, let this one go.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:40 AM
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14. So long as it's all privatley done, with no public money, I'm OK with it.
End of Line.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:29 AM
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18. The Maranathas tried to take over a dorm at MSU once
In the late 70s, I believe, or the early 80s. The university officials caught on, and put a stop to it. Basically, the students involved in the group were all trying to get in the same dorm, and it was a large group that even most fundamentalist christians consider to be a cult.

We had the same group at Western. They were always outside of the football stadium during games, trying to recruit new members among the drunken game attendees.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:48 PM
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20. Sounds like my college
If they want to live in religious-centered dorms, they should go to religious colleges. I went to one (Mount Vernon Nazarene in Ohio--yeah, the one that got Kenyon's voting machines, no suprise) and lived with a behavioral code for five years (took me too freakin' long to do everything I wanted). I was one of the few liberals at my college, and I survived. They could too, if they found the right college to attend for what they want to study.
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