Are you a "Blame America Firster"?

I hear republican zanies use this term all the time whenever anyone dares to question W or complain about his God appointed ass.

They apparently are "America Right or Wrongers", who blindly support the president cause he's our guy, no matter how fucking stupid he is.

I've always been the kind to place blame where it belongs if possible, and America is certainly not perfect, and I certainly will not support things I see as wrong, that's nationalism.

We NEED to point out our nation's flaws, warts and all, and it's strengths, when we do wrong we need to admit it, take the shame, and make the corrections.

but of course that angle doesn't work well with the GOP, so they make us America haters.

but I don't let them get away things they shouldn't do. I expect them to responsible for there actions. ...accountabilty...a dirty dirty word to the repubs

I am being accountable. Whenever something happens, we NEED to take a close look at our behavior first and ask what are we responsible for.

Too bad the these so-called Christians don't read their own bible. Seek not the splinter in another's eye and attend to the timber in one's own.

And if Bush is America, as they all seem to intimate, then, yes, I blame America first.

It takes 2 to tango, and in international diplomacy, where "blame america first"
comes from, an honest assessment of the relationship(s), involves a self effacing
realization of what previous behaviours *we*'ve initiated and been pursuing.

Unfortunately, these have been weapons trade, corruption and terrorism, and this
record stands in all nations where the US has been meddling with its actors.
Then the "America" i'm discussing is the corporate capitalist pole that percieves
itself as a one-world business-government with rights over all the persons on earth.

That goverment has created ALL of its own externalities by its irresponsible
behaviours, and if it changes those, has the opportunity to reverse trends.
But as trends stand, it looks like empire collapse soon on, and there will be
no aerican empire left to blame. The british used to think this way at the
beginning of the last century, when their empire was the largest in the world,
and look where it got to.

you "blame America first." If you blame America second, third, fifth, tenth, fiftieth or altogether lastly, you "blame America first." Stupid fucks.

the feeling is mutual. I enjoy your posts - especially the call for our guys to stop dying and fighting for this contemptuous and contemptible troll.

I will probably be carted off to the loony bin, or whatever they have now, for carving one of these into their foreheads:

Bush is not "The Troops".

Bush is not America.

Bush is not Freedom.

kicking everybody else's ass.

But let's not make Amurka responsible for its actions.

They just say it like it is wrong to do, ipso facto, but their only answer is that if Murka does it, it is right, just because Amurka did it, period.

America is our country. Amurka is theirs. Theirs is all powerful and controls everything, yet if it controls things and they go bad, it is somehow some other country's fault.

The RW raises their mental problems to the level of the nation.

No matter what the problem is, I immediately look to Bill Clinton as the origin of the problem. Especially if it keeps me from having to admit my own short-comings and outrageous fuck ups.

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I'm a patriot, not a nationalist.

Katrina, Iraq, 9/11, these things happened under Bush's watch, yet he did absolutely nothing to stop them. These things were not Clinton's fault at all.

I think it was Franken who said that many republicans love the US like it was their mommy who could do no wrong. Democrats, on the other hand, will try to look at their country objectively and work to right the wrongs in order to make a more stronger union.

Take the heated illegal immigration debate for example. If you read on FR or any other right wing forum/blog, you see a lot of people who blame everyone else except the US. It's Mexico's fault and it's the fault of the workers who come over. The US can do no wrong. Never mind that many of the US companies who hire the workers are barely getting a slap on the hand by this administration. Never mind that funding for border security has been slashed time and time again. Never mind that we're not exactly enforcing the rules already in the books. Never mind that the federal government is flat out ignoring the advice of the border states who are most familiar with this situation.

Now I don't mean for this to become an illegal immigration debate because that is for another forum. My point is that an adult should look at a problem objectively and keep the lashing out approach to the children.

And you know, it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that! :hi:

everybody played in it", and then I try to figure out how responsible everybody involved really was.

Some people blame everybody equally, regardless of how large a share the group has. I think they're moral cowards.

Some assign blame on how much control they think they have or should have over the people involved, such that any lapse on their part completely absolves nearly everybody else, and they believe themselves usually to be at fault, in some way. I think this group play Grand Inquisitor, and like feeling responsible for others' actions, or confuse themselves with Christ.

Some people always blame others, regardless of how much responsibility the people doing the blaming actually have. This has several subgroups, of which at least one partially overlaps with the previous group. ("Blame America firsters" exist, at least in the right political climate, and fall in this category. The "America firsters" also exist, at least in the right political climate, and also fall in this category. Same game, different end zones.)

I blame mostly the person or group most culpable, which usually involves the more proximal cause. I reject the doctrine of original sin, however it's applied, and don't allow politics to influence my values and ethics. (Once you get into privileging distal causes over proximal causes, then you can frequently make blame serve goals involving not so much morality as other things.)

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That's my objection to that ridiculous rhetoric. By asking "Why do the terrorists hate us?" that doesn't imply any blame. It's just a question. So, if i'm not blaming anybody, how can i be blaming america first?
The Professor

cops, judges, lawyers, generals, admirals, presidents, ceo's, bankers, and newspapermen firster.

when America is to blame. Iraq was a war based on lies, just like Vietnam. For those conflicts, we are to blame.

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I'm not a "blame America firster", I'm a blame Republicans -- first, last and always. If there's a problem in this country, it can almost universally be traced to Republican policies of greed and bloodthirstiness, coupled with paranoia and jingoistic nationalist fervor. The goodness of the American people is blunted, turned aside, tamped down, and thwarted by the GOP whenever we turn our backs on our own citizens, or when we invade other countries without cause, or when anyone thinks that freedom and liberty are a zero sum game -- that is, granting you more freedom necessarily limits the amount of freedom that I enjoy.

Republicans appeal to the vain, and the puerile, and all the lesser demons of our nature, encouraging people to band together only to contend with one another while the overrich make money off the spectacle, or from arming both sides. Whenever people come together despite their differences to make common cause for the greater societal good, you can bet there's a Republican somewhere gnashing his teeth and plotting to draw more imaginary lines between citizens to set us at each other's throats again.

Not all Republicans recognize this quality in their political party, for sure. Many are duped by the siren's song of lower taxes, as if their personal taxes really go lower when Republicans are in power, or as if the ordering of society is accomplished by some miraculous process that doesn't cost anything. And for that deception, I . . .

Blame Republicans First!

Ultimately, it's nothing more than whining at the universe. If you can't realize the consequences of actions you have taken, or refuse to recognize them, then you are nothing but a whiner. I'd like to believe that any responsible parent wouldn't accept such behavior from a child. But what can you do when it's millions of GOP parents doing the whining?

If the GOP wants to be what it claims, responsible and practical, they need to cut this shit out. Crying all day that somebody got angry over short-sighted foreign policy moves means that you never were fit to govern. Governance is the province of results, not crybabies.