Hiliary Clinton on Senate floor. She supports the Levin resolution.

rodeodance

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:31 PM
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Hiliary Clinton on Senate floor. She supports the Levin resolution.

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rodeodance

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:32 PM
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1. She calls the Levin res. a 'roadmap"

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rodeodance

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:33 PM
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2. said many of Bush/WH decisions about the war were mistakes.

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rodeodance

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:34 PM
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3. saying Republicans "blindly following the President"

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rodeodance

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:35 PM
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5. she is talking of how people who ask difficult questions are labeled as

"UNPATRIOTIC"

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6000eliot

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:04 PM
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30. "Many?" How about "ALL."

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:34 PM
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4. Too bad she's for staying in... At least she doesn't question

Murtha's patriotism...

I'll never vote for her if the Dems nominate her in 2008... I'll just sit at home if they nominate her...

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rodeodance

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:36 PM
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6. that is your choice. I will vote for her if nominated. She deserves a

chance at the nomination.

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dogday

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:38 PM
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7. If it comes down to her

and a republican, I will choke it up and vote for her... I cannot support anyone who does not support an end to this war, but I will support whoever is running against a republican...

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:38 PM
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8. Yeah she deserves a chance at nomination. I won't vote for her

if she wins.

I'm tired of the same old bullshit from national leadership, and on Iraq, that is all she is offering.

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skipos

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:39 PM
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9. I am morally opposed to letting republicans win.

Hillary is my last choice for 08, that's for sure. But I couldn't live with myself if I sat by and let McCain or Frist or whoever win and continue to the republican destruction of America. The "no difference between the dem candidate and the repub candidate" sentiment was as much of a lie in 2000 as it will be in 2008.

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patrice

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:41 PM
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10. I'll vote for her, but I won't work for her.

Her nomination will just about be the "death-nell" for my party affiliation.

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:42 PM
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11. She isn't going to be the nominee.

She is going to be shocked in the Iowa Caucus and then shocked again in New Hampshire, and then all that bullshiet about her being the presumptive nominee is going to be forgotten.

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acmavm

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:45 PM
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14. I think you're right about Iowa and New Hampshire. Hillary

is only hyped up by the republican party. Dems here in the Midwest don't like her. I sure don't.

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grytpype

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:49 PM
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18. Looks like we are in agreement!

When the primary votes are actually counted, the MSM's collective head is going to spin around and they're going to go on and on about how unexpected this was, and they will take the occasion to attack Hillary some more ("See, she's not even popular with her own party!!!") And then we will move on and select a candidate.

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Donna Zen

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:10 PM
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40. She's counting on a large field

Hillary's counting on there being a large field of contenders where she can hold on to enough of base to score. I hate to admit this, but about now, I think her handlers are right. Warner and Biden (who is rapidly raising funds and corporate support) are running on her right, with Feingold and Edwards looking at the left. Hillary needs a large field to stay in long enough for her accumulate momentum. Anyway, that's the way I see it.

The 2008 election will be about soft power and change. Neither issue can be used by HIllary.

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bowens43

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:48 PM
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15. Then you're part of the problem......

You'd rather have a republican?

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:50 PM
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19. Leaders that want to stay in Iraq are the problem.

It's not my fault people like her can't just take a stand, and say enough of this Iraq disaster.

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Skidmore

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:53 PM
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21. I can answer for myself. I'd rather have a candidate that

stood for the working people of the nation and isn't relying solely on name recognition or legacy AND has ideas not formed by putting his/her finger in the air to see which way the wind was blowing. Someone who takes a stand and will defend it.

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bookman

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:48 PM
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17. Hmmm..

>>I'll never vote for her if the Dems nominate her in 2008... I'll just sit at home if they nominate her...

While not a Hillary Clinton supporter I never understand these statements. If we don't want her to win the nomination we need to strongly support someone else in the primary process.

But..

If she wins the nomination and loses the election...America loses.

This crop of Republicans has no redeming value. They must be defeated. They MUST be defeated.

We can survive a Hillary Clinton, we cannot survive another PNAC administration.

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:51 PM
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20. Then you better work to make sure someone other than Hillary is nominated

Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 12:57 PM by Beelzebud

Because I'm certainly not alone in my view of her.

Im tired of America being run by two royal families.

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LSK

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:53 PM
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22. thats stupid

You have the whole primary season to vote your ideals. Come general election, its either a Dem or a Republican. If you cant figure this out, I feel sorry for you.

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:55 PM
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23. If the dems can't nominate someone worth voting for...

I won't bother voting..

It's that simple.

Can't you figure that out? Why should we settle for less? Why can't we expect a good candidate?

Why do I have to vote while trying to swallow the puke back down?

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LSK

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:01 PM
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27. so you would rather have McCain or Jeb in office??

And continue this madness!?!?!??

:wtf:

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:04 PM
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31. I expect the Dems to nominate someone worth voting for.

Hillary's nomination is NOT set in stone.

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:56 PM
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24. Thats the way to keep the Repukes out!

:eyes:

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:57 PM
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25. Hey if the Dems nominate someone worth voting for, I'll vote.

Whats wrong with having standards?

See. I'm taking a stand on this issue, even though it's unpopular with my peers here.

Why can't Hillary do that, and demand we get out of Iraq?

It would be simple to support her if she deserved it.

She's a fine senator, but lets' keep her out of the white house.

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:01 PM
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26. We broke Iraq, we have to fix it!

Theres no dispute about that. If thats your only concern with her. God help us all!

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:03 PM
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29. And how much "fixing" is going on right now?

How much?

Are you going to recite to me about all the new schools being built?

SAVE IT

I'm tired of listening to this bullshit. Did we "fix" Fallujah? Did we "fix" Ramadhi? Did we "fix" the Triangle of Death?

You let me know when we start fixing things, because right now that is a fucking joke...

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:04 PM
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33. Are the fucking Dems in Contol? No!

Jesus H. Christ!

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:06 PM
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34. And do you think the second we have control Iraq will fix itself?

No it won't.

Not with a "stay the course" "moderate" democrat at the helm.

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:07 PM
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35. And where did you buy your crystal ball?

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:07 PM
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36. Where did Hillary Clinton buy you?

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:09 PM
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38. Don't change the subject.

Where did you buy your crystal ball?

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:11 PM
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41. Change the subject? You're asking me where I bought a crystal ball.

Iraq is an unmitaged disaster.

Do you honestly think Hillary has the solution?

"Stay the course" is a solution?

We'd STILL be in vietnam right now with that mindset..

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:12 PM
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42. So another words you don't have one.

I thought so.

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:13 PM
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44. Whatever. When all else fails, knock down a strawman.

Yeah I don't have a crystal ball. What that has to do with staying in Iraq, and drawing this war out for a decade, I'm not quite sure, but whatever.

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:16 PM
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46. Finally a honest answer.

Knowing that the war in Iraq would be drawn out for a decade under Hillary Clinton would require a crystal ball.

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:18 PM
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47. So would knowing she has some magic solution to "fix" Iraq....

Nixon had a secret plan to get us out of Vietnam.

If we listened to the "Stay the Course" crowd then, we'd have permanent military bases in Vietnam...

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:30 PM
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48. Is Hillary Clinton, Nixon?

Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:31 PM by William769

You assume an awfully lot, thats why you are losing the argument.

ON EDIT: We just keep going back top that darn crystal ball.

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:31 PM
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49. I'm not losing any argument. I won't vote for her if she is the best we

can do.

No amount of silly crystal ball arguments are going to change my mind.

The only people losing an argument are the ones saying we need to 'stay in Iraq, so we can "fix" it'.

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:35 PM
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50. At this point I don't care if you vote or not. (I"ll do my part).

Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 01:36 PM by William769

As to the argument, I don't think it's silly calling someone out who professes to know the future.

ON EDIT: And thus ends my debate on in this thread.

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:38 PM
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51. I'll vote. As long as Hillary isn't the candidate.

Sorry I insulted royalty today.

What was I thinking. I forgot Dems are only going to win by acting like neo-cons.

How is her flag burning amendment going?

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paulk

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:55 PM
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52. she doesn't support the flag burning amendment

she supported a law - a law which she knows would be declared unconstitutional. The last time such a law came up before the Senate, only 4 democrats voted against it. Democrats supported the bill because they knew that the SCOTUS would shoot it down. And after Bush 1 hammered Dukakis over this issue, perhaps they thought thought it politically expedient to inoculate themselves.

It's called politics.

Sad to see a Democrat like you (you are a Democrat?)spreading disinformation about a possible Democratic Presidential candidate.

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William769

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Wed Jun-21-06 02:01 PM
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53. Being done on purpose if you ask me.

Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 02:03 PM by William769

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paulk

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Wed Jun-21-06 02:27 PM
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54. the lengths people go to on this board to trash Democrats

makes it impossible NOT to question motives -

like here, for instance

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2688809

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LSK

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:02 PM
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28. GEORGE W BUSH IS WHATS WRONG WITH HAVING STANDARDS

Staying home = electing thugs like him to office.

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:04 PM
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32. THEN NOMINATE SOMEONE WORTH MY GODDAMNED VOTE

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Captain Hilts

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:09 PM
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39. That's what Republicans count on. Dems staying home on election day. nt

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Beelzebud

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:12 PM
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43. Then the Dems better nominate someone worth voting for...

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying I'm staying home no matter what.

If the Dems can't nominate a better candidate for president, then they dont' deserve my vote!

All I'm asking for is a GOOD candidate.

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flpoljunkie

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:43 PM
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12. Shrum is right when he says Kerry/Feingold "got the Dems off the dime."

Would there have been Levin/Feinstein Iraq amendment if John Kerry and Russ Feingold had not pushed the issue? I seriously doubt it.

Hillary Clinton makes a good point when she says, "They may not have a war strategy, but they have an election strategy."

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jsamuel

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:48 PM
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16. yep, she is right about that for sure

I hope she keeps a close eye on the mirror as well. Not to be offensive, but for caution and self improvement.

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Skidmore

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Wed Jun-21-06 12:44 PM
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13. Before or after she supported "staying the course"?

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wisteria

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:07 PM
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37. What she supports is a weak appeasement amendment that

is suppose to satisfy the caucus of Senate Democrats. It does nothing more than ask Bush to bring some troops home by the end of the year and ask for a path forward from him.
This allows her to continue to bash the president but not have to take a firm stand on Iraq.
Sorry, I don't see leadership in this endorsement of the Reid/Levin amendment. She is playing politics with soldiers and Iraqi's lives.

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