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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:03 PM
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What does "Stay the Course" mean ?
I need talking points to debunk that this message is in the best interest of our troops, country and the Iraqi civilians.

I've been to two anti-war protests, and we protest that "staying the course", we want our troops home and safe and protecting our country, like the "city of Louisiana".

BUT, I'm "told" that's not patriotic or supporting the troops' mission. I'm told dissent is unpatriotic too. I'm told questioning our "leaders" is UNAMERICAN. :cry:

I'm also "told" that these middle east barbarians have been killing each other for 2500 years, and will continue to kill each other for another 2500 years.

So why are we "Staying this course" ? If we stay for two or two hundred more days, or years, this will not end in our, our children's or their children's lifetimes if we "Stay the Course" to end the hate :shrug:

What say you?

I say "cut our (tax/troop)loses" and "run the bill" to Halliburton's head office...NOW.

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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:04 PM
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1. As near as I can tell, "stay the course"
means following through with a terrible decision, because to admit that the terrible decision is wrong would be showing weakness.
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heidler1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:11 PM
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7. I thought it showed stupidity on the part of who got us in this mess
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 06:13 PM by heidler1
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:16 PM
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10. True.
But for Boosh, ignorance is strength.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:22 PM
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15. I agree Dave....
And I blame Bush for putting us in this situation, AGAIN, in the first place. We could have left after capturing Saddam with our heads held high, then again, we never finished the mission capturing Osama.

Unfortunately I live with a Marine who blames politicians for cutting and running in Vietnam (Nixon) and Beirut (Reagan). He hopes this "republican" (Euww, Bush) will get it right this time.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:09 PM
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41. Also means show you are incapable of learning.
Learning means you take in information, mull it over, expand your knowledge and can make another decision.
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thepurpose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:06 PM
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2. Never ask for directions or advice.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:24 PM
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16. So, I'll shut up now !?
Unfortunately, I can't. Bush has us in a damned if we do or don't situation, I wonder why? :shrug:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:07 PM
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3. It means continuing the same actions and hoping for a different outcome!
That's also called STUPIDITY!!!!!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:26 PM
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17. How about changing direction ?
Reagan sent the troops home from Beirut to cut his "losses" financially and humanely.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:46 PM
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24. That's what I call stupid
That's insanity.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:11 PM
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43. It's bordering on
insanity.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:08 PM
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4. There are the 14 bases and Bush's palace to build and occupy
That is the course and is why we are staying.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:27 PM
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18. Ahhh, protecting the contracters !
Makes Bushbot sense to me ! What would have his Daddy done?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:09 PM
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5. It means, get in line, shut up and take a bullet for Sick Cheney soldier
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:29 PM
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20. LOL...true....chickenhawks
are our most dangerous Americans !
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:09 PM
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6. It means..
... if you are driving and about to hit a brick wall, don't apply the brakes.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:14 PM
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8. Dictionaries say it means to stay the entire duration of
something. Old racing term: a horse that continued to the end of the course 'stayed the course', and a horse that was tired, ill, injured, or whatever would have not stayed the course had it dropped out. Now we use it only with things that mean a length of time, "he stayed an hour." "Stay" simply means 'remain', more or less.

To stay the course, as applied to Iraq, would mean to stay until goals are attained. To argue against staying the course involves arguing either the goals are not worthy of being attained or or unachievable, given constraints. One could argue that the goals are worthy, but it's not our responsibility or in our interests to achieve them.

For a lot of people 'stay' seems means to 'fix, not change', and 'course' seems to mean 'policy, set of actions'. When I was a teenager I assumed it was a naval term, and referred to a ship's wheel.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:34 PM
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23. About 2500 more years ?
Thanks for the definition....I agree, if we stay the course or leave and cut our losses, are we safer or letting down GOP no-bid contracters ?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:56 PM
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36. That would be a bit long,
I think, even for Halliburton. Strictly short-term planning for them.

The GOP this fall may--may, and no more--be able to duck the war. But by July '07 the reserves will be fully out of Iraq and at the very least half of regular military will be out, irrespective of any bills. By then preliminary presidential campaigning will be in full swing, and this is a millstone around the GOP's neck. If we stay in, all the repub candidates will be anti-bushes, and that'll make for a very strange election dynamic.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:16 PM
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9. It's what the Lead Lemming always says to the ones behind
:eyes:
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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:16 PM
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11. Stay the course = do not waver, do not falter, do not deviate
under ANY circumstance..... even if you see you're about to run off a cliff. It's a macho thing with this Chunkhead-in-Chief. It's sooo easy for this chickenhawk to send others off to die, when he was unwilling to put himself on the line during Viet Nam.

Besides, didn't you get the memo dude? You can't change surfboards in the middle of wave! You can't change horses mid-stream! :sarcasm: .... blah blah blah blah terra terra terra blah blah blah blah 9-11 9-11 changed everything... blah blah blah blah... :puke:


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:18 PM
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12. It means no retreat because that would indicate failure, at least
for the current nincompoops in office.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:18 PM
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13. ...
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:19 PM
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14. It means that when you're walking to your mailbox to get the mail,
and there's a board with a nail in it in your driveway, and it stabs you in the foot and you need to go get a tetanus shot, you LEAVE the board in your driveway, and WALK OVER IT AGAIN, and have to go get another tetanus shot because you have another hole in your foot, because if you move the board or walk around it, then THE BOARD WINS and you LOSE YOUR FREEDOM to walk across the COURSE THAT YOU MUST STAY.

Got it?

Redstone
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:28 PM
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19. It means, don't try to steer around that truck coming at you at 80 mph.

BREAKING: Faux News - Results Seen In Bush Iraq Policy
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:31 PM
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21. It's Republican-speak for "We can't admit we fucked up"
:hi:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:02 PM
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27. Day-um, in an election year too :)
:hi:



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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:32 PM
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22. It means never leaving Iraq, the 'new' Korea. See ...
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:54 PM
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25. Nautical definition...
From a recent Daily Kos diary that defined "cut & run" & "stay the course"...

Staying the course isn't always a good thing in the nautical world either. Staying the course has the literal meaning that the ship will continue in the same direction, regardless of wind and wave conditions, and any other considerations. Depending on the conditions, staying the course can be either smart or stupid. It isn't necessarily the right strategy every time.


Check out the rest of this diary: Do you know jack about either cut or run?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/17/7386/27743
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:14 PM
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29. Didn't the Titanic "stay the course"
In the sense they were "screw the icebergs (Democrats?), gotta make New York (midterm voters?) on time" course?

Good lesson madame, what have we learned? :D

Also, methinks we are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic AND the Hindenberg, so to speak.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 06:55 PM
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26. we haven't finished stealing yet
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:03 PM
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28. Stay the Course means Vote Republican again. nt
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:22 PM
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31. My puggie House Rep, Thelma Drake (Rrr-VA-02)
..said "staying the course is supporting THE PRESIDENT"....AND...WE...MUST...TRUST...HIM :silly:

I can't believe my guy, Phil Kellam, is losing to her. But hey, it's only June :toast:

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:15 PM
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30. Continuing the occupation until we have no use for Iraq any longer.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:23 PM
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32. Stay the Course means...
...stupid, incompetent, neocon whores, haven't given up on their wet dreams for the PNAC American Empire.

PNAC Victory Slogan for the War of Neocon Aggression: Victory is just arround the next pyramid of naked Iraqi prisoners with electrodes attached to their left testicle. :rofl:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:32 PM
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33. It means, "don't make us leave before we've set up a new thug regime,
because we robber barons don't want to lose control of all this shit we stole".
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:32 PM
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34. Tune into C-Span2
The GOPpers are defining "Stay the Course" YIKES, WE'RE DOOMED!

The Chickenhawks want us there for the next 476 years (ok, I'm exaggerating, til "midterms" snork)....to accomplish our mission!

HOW DO THEY SLEEP AT NIGHT !?

"We've taken out hundreds of thousands of terrorists, we need to "stay the course" for this "long and enduring war" Chambliss, R-Georgia ... WTF?

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:36 PM
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35. "staying the course" for the asshat adminstration
means continue to lie and fuck up. Don't just fuck up, either. Do it royally and big. Screw as many as possible. Never listen to the truth, and don't bother to read anything.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:04 PM
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37. It Means Leaving The Problem To Future Presidents
So when it's an even bigger clusterfuck than it is now, they can hopefully blame the (hopefully) Democratic president for screwing up Dear Leader's vision.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:07 PM
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38. It means:
Staying on the Titanic at 2:00 am on April 15, 1912.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:07 PM
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39. "Stay the course" is a euphemised form of "Preserve the status quo...
...because it's making us rich."
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:07 PM
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40. It's actually supposed to be "stay on the golf course" but he lost a word
like his father.

Its what you do when you are in a very high position but have no idea how the fuck you got there or how to do your job.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:10 PM
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42. In bush talk ..
it translates..."I don't have a fucking plan so leave me alone!"
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