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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:40 PM
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AP version of WMD story is out now
http://www.kaj18.com/Global/story.asp?S=5063004

Republican lawmakers say munitions may prove Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

CAPITOL HILL Two Republicans lawmakers who insist Iraq may have had weapons of mass destruction are pointing to a newly declassified report.

The document says coalition forces have found 500 munitions in Iraq that contained degraded sarin or mustard nerve agents, produced before the 1991 Gulf War.

Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Congressman Peter Hoekstra of Michigan cited the report in an attempt to counter criticism by Democrats who say the decision to go to war was a mistake.

But a defense official says the weapons were not considered likely to be dangerous because of their age. And Democrats say a report from the top U-S weapons inspector contemplated that such weapons would be found.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:41 PM
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1. Santorum was lying, watch his video
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:42 PM
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2. Desperate to make it true, aren't they? nm
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:42 PM
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3. So the only real "news" is that a report has been declassified.
A report containing information that should be surprising to no one who ever paid any attention before bush decided to go to war.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:43 PM
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4. Dead story. How embarrassing for the frantic republicans
The story that wasn't.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:44 PM
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5. They are grasping at straws. This is a desperation move.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:45 PM
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6. This is totally legit -- not something to scoff at.
I heard there was a stash of pointy sticks found, too. Those things can hurt if you stick 'em in the right (wrong) place.

When I was a kid, a pencil accidentally stuck in my hand. I can still see the lead (graphite) in there.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:50 PM
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10. Splinters lead to infection; infection means death. Too many to count. n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:53 PM
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13. I heard about infections. You can get horribly sick.
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 09:56 PM by BuyingThyme
Al Qaeda knows all about infections.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:54 PM
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14. They might have found a secret cache of scissors, too.
And maybe they could make people run with them.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:57 PM
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16. That could poke an eye out.
Two, theoretically.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:03 PM
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20. Hopefully, you would learn your lesson after the first time. n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:15 PM
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32. No, I'm thinking more in the line of the scissors being open to where
the two points could penetrate two eyes on the same person at the same time.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:18 PM
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34. I guess that's why they are called a "pair of scissors". n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:12 PM
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35. lol! n/t
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:20 PM
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36. LOL ~
they're especially dangerous if you can make people run with them on stairs which have been conveniently had water spilled on them.

:D

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:28 PM
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37. And don't forget sharpened pencils
What if they made them run with scissors AND sharpened pencils!?

:wow:

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IselaB Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:03 PM
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19. What about a banana? What if they attacked us with a banana?
Just my lame attempt to tie in a Monty Python joke here. Nobody's going to get it.

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:28 PM
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24. How to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana.
"Now you, come at me with this banana. Catch! Now, it's quite simple to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana. First of all you force him to drop the banana; then, second, you eat the banana, thus disarming him. You have now rendered him 'elpless.

that simple...but don't ask me about pointed sticks...
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:47 PM
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7. That's an old story that didn't fly the last time, either.
Degraded weapons aren't weapons.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:47 PM
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8. Mobile bio/chem labs
Weapons programs. Sanitizing chemical plants. That's what they said, not old weapons from before the first Gulf War.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:53 PM
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12. Remember those drones?
the ones that were going to deliver WMD? THat turned out to look like footballs with duct tape covering them?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:23 AM
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31. who could've known that hobby shack was a major iraqi defense contractor?
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:50 PM
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9. Not exactly something that can make "mushroom clouds"
is it?
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:52 PM
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11. Spreading bullshit can lead to "mushroom crowds". Oh, that's
something else entirely. Nevermind.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:58 PM
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17. ok, now that was funny.
I think Rick is having visions.....a sure sign he's eating magic mushrooms. What a joke....Ricky's straining to lose the last gram of credibility he had.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:54 PM
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15. Man they look stupid.
This is pure idiocy. Are they really that desperate?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:01 PM
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18. are these the same ones that Saddam was going to fly over the east coast
his non-existent balsa wood drone?
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:12 PM
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21. Santorum Says Republicans Were Right to Go to Iraq - N Korea, Who cares!
I mean really, N Korea is pointing the damn bombs at our balls and we do nothing.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:14 PM
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22. I haven't seen a neo-con slimebag build a strawman that tall in at least..
...well, at least a week. They did a good job of strawman building little during their little "we killed Zarqawi" gloatfest on capital hill last week.

"Iraq may have had weapons of mass destruction."
Yeah, I may find a million dollars in a paper bag on the way to work tomorrow morning.

"...degraded sarin or mustard nerve agents, produced before the 1991 Gulf War."
Oh, is this the same sarin and mustard gas that Rummy and Bush Sr. sold him? The agents that Saddam used when he blasted the Kurds. You know, the same Kurds that we promised to help overthrow Saddam, and when they rose up and he used the chemicals that the U.S. sold him and blasted them into oblivion, well, too bad for them?

"...in an attempt to counter criticism by Democrats who say the decision to go to war was a mistake."
That's the one completely true sentence in the article.

"But a defense official says the weapons were not considered likely to be dangerous because of their age. And Democrats say a report from the top U-S weapons inspector contemplated that such weapons would be found."
How much do you want to bet the swift boat team is already working on that defense official as we speak?


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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:38 PM
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26. "And Democrats say a report from"
Which Democrats? And isn't just simply true regardless of who said it, if indeed anybody said it at all?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:23 PM
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23. The sad thing about it is that this will work
We thought the Swiftboat shit was so stupid that it would never work, but it did. This will work too.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:40 PM
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27. This is the second or third pass with this one.
They have reported these old shells numerous times, including when they were first discovered. The story sank like a rock. This is the absolute best santorum can do.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:52 PM
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29. are these chem weapons that we sold them?
or were they produced over there?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:55 PM
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30. Does it really matter? the only reason they were still there is that
many of them were buried and forgotten about.
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:31 PM
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25. Come on ~ people can't really fall for this, can they?
Okay, a qualifier: aside from the backwash.

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4nic8em Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:50 PM
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28. Gawd dammit...
I guess we are under imminent threat of attack...another load of RW horseshit.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:18 PM
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33. To be WMD, they have to be capable of destruction
Chemical and biological weapons are more or less use em or lose em kinda things. They break down fairly rapidly. A bunch of old warheads with noxious stuff in them that wouldn't hurt a flea are by definition not WMD.
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:36 PM
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38. BREAKING:
Also found were packets of ketchup and mayonnaise!
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:42 PM
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39. BTW, here's a link to a pretty good overview refuting Santorum's claims
Not familiar with this site (anybody out there who is?), but, I've been looking for some fact building against Santorum's wild claims and came across this:

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m24152&l=i&size=1&hd=0

June 22, 2006

Senator Rick Santorum, together with Congressman Peter Hoekstra, announced today that newly declassified evidence proves the existence of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq after the 2003 Iraq invasion. Senator Santorum went on the Senate floor and touted this "new" information. Finally here was proof that George W Bush’s little adventure in Iraq was not totally pointless.


~snip~

Senator Santorum claims that the discovery of pre-1991 chemical weapons munitions proves Iraq had WMD. Here is what Volume III of the Duelfer Report, entitled Iraq’s Chemical Warfare Program, had to say about these munitions in its key findings:

While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991...

~snip~

Senator Santorum, it seems, failed to read either the ISG reports or the Silberman-Robb Commission reports. If he had, he would have realized that the "chemical weapons" he is touting are old, ineffective munitions manufactured before 1991 that had been discarded or partially destroyed. Furthermore, these munitions pose no proliferation threat. It should however surprise no one that the Senator would leap to such conclusions. This is exactly the mentality that got us into the Iraq war in the first place. Senator Santorum and the Bush Administration claimed that Iraq had WMD and used any scrap of intelligence to try to justify the case for war. It appears that Senator Santorum has not yet learned the lessons of the Iraq war - that fixing the intelligence around the policy is a dangerous path to follow.

We as a country are being ill served by such ignorant behavior from our Senators and our Congressmen. The only question really is whether Senator Santorum is willfully misleading the public or whether he really is this stupid.


Much more technical detail at link.


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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:29 PM
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40. ARE THESE THE SAME WMD THAT THE US SOLD TO SADDAM????
thank you Rummy....
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