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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:46 PM
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Rove's fat fingerprints are all over "cut and run"
Just look at this blurb for the lead story on NYTimes.com:


"The party is trying to turn a liability into an advantage by portraying Democrats as advocates of an overly hasty withdrawal."


How difficult is it to shove this tactic back down the gullet of this blond turd and his toadies on the right?
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:48 PM
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1. I liked Kerry's Response to this on CNN
He said something like repugs plan is, "LIE and DIE".
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:54 PM
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6. More like Lie and Let Others Die.
Or Lie and Occupy.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:54 PM
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7. Problem is Rove will get play Kerry won't
The most frustrating thing is not their bullshit messages but the fact that the stenographic press just repeats it over & over & over until the lie becomes the truth and the Dems are made to look inept.
Had we a real freedom of the press, and any kind of a decent press, horseshit like that would get played once and dismissed as the crap it is.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:02 PM
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13. The Media is Republican. They are not listening to the...
majority of Americans who oppose this war.
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:41 PM
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20. I completely agree with you,
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:49 PM
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2. what is overly hasty about 3 nightmare years over a mistake
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 09:51 PM by MissWaverly
even Bush admits that the intelligence leading up to the war was a mistake, if there was no
oil there for Halli-bacon to grab up, we would have been long gone by now. But I do think
that this time line plays into Rove's hands, we should just say change the strategy, make all contrctors Iraqis as part of the stand down process and have the UN send it troops to police the place.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:50 PM
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3. This is when the Dems need to stand up and ask the Repugs
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 09:50 PM by MadMaddie
to define "Hasty".....Is Hasty 3500 US soldiers lives, 51,000 wounded lives, Infrastructure of a country destroyed , 100,000 Iraqi deaths,

or is Hasty 15 years in Vietnam and 51,000 dead soldiers and thousands wounded....

The Dems need to start making the Repugs answer the questions instead of letting them sling slogans....
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:52 PM
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4. Throw the real definition of "cut and run" back in his fat face.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:53 PM
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5. Solutions not slogans
Let's not ever start a thread about their blurbs without "solutions not slogans" in it. And let's certainly never put their blurbs in the subject line. Don't help them get their message out in any way whatsoever. I would have thought we'd have learned that from 2004, but I guess not.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:56 PM
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9. Exactly- that's the response. And any Dem on TV should ask
their interviewer why they're pushing GOP slogans instead of seeking facts.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:00 PM
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12. Yep use our minds not only words
Cut an Run ---Redeploy-----Use what you can to change the first. What we are using From the people who cut an ran Like J.Dennis Hastert five times asked five times ran. Cheney five times askede five times ran. GW never served or finshed do to 1972 drug testing it works
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:06 PM
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14. Why is it so hard for Democrats to point out that "cut and run" is a Rove
invention? To make voters see that ugly jowly puss of Rove's whenever they hear that expression? Why is this so hard? Why fight the term on Rove's terms, accepting that "cut and run" is acceptable spin for what Dems are doing? Why not puncture the whole idea and lay it out flat on the ground, exposing it for what it is?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:08 PM
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15. Why can Chuck Hagel do it, but Chuck Schumer can't?
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/hagel-buzz-words/


Hagel: “Focus Group-Tested Buzz Words…Like ‘Cut and Run’…Debase the Seriousness of War”

This afternoon on the Senate floor, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) blasted conservatives who have turned to “catchy political slogans” to avoid having a serious debate about Bush’s Iraq policy. Hagel argued that using such focus-group tested words like “cut and run” demean the debate and “debase the seriousness of war.” Watch it.

Full transcript below:

Congress fails in its duty when we do not probe, when we fail, we do not ask tough questions, and we fail when we do not debate the gate issues of our day. There is no issue more important than war. The war in Iraq is the defining issue on which this Congress and the administration will be judged. The American people want to see serious debate about serious issues from serious leaders. They deserve more than a political debate. This debate should transcend cynical attempts to turn public frustration with the war in Iraq into an electoral advantage. It should be taken more seriously than to simply retreat into focus-group tested buzz words and phrases like “cut and run,” catchy political slogans that debase the seriousness of war. War’s not a partisan issue, Mr. President. It should not be held hostage to political agendas. War should not be drug down into the political muck. America deserves better. Our men and women fighting and dying deserve better.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:02 AM
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17. Knock yourself out
Getting into pissing matches over their slogans hasn't worked for the last 5 years, hell 20 years, but by all means, go ahead and play word games again. Feminazi and gun grabber are trumped up expressions and everybody knows who trumped them up. It's worked really well to just point out the stupidity of those words, hasn't it. Just keep pushing their crap into the forefront of people's minds, anyway you can.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:55 PM
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8. use BUSH's OWN WORDS against him!! sheesh!
I know I keep saying this but bush left a trail of statements before running, while running, and after being appointed, to the
effect he would not nor should the USA be in wars with no good reason, no good plan, and no good and clear exit strategy.

all the dems need to do is start using bush's own words and video clips against him.

how hard can that be to do???

2-22-2006
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:09 PM
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16. I have been saying that forever....
The Dems have all of the footage they need....why won't they get a top rate commercial agency to come up with some stuff...it's not rocket science...
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:58 PM
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10. Karl can say
"Democrats want to cut and run", while the world can see neocons "want to kill and maim for fun".
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:07 AM
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18. Run and hide republicans
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 01:08 AM by SoCalDem
They didn;t exctly all join up in "their" war..now did they?

Junior couldn't even come straight back to DC during his "shining moment" of 9-11.. he ran and hid in a bunker in Iowa..and then at the WH for a few DAYS before he was brought to the rubble pile and told what to do..

He "sat and stared" at a stupid book for 20 minutes when he knew the country was under attack..

During katrina, he "ran and hid" at a golf outing, and then again at "the pigfarm" and only showed up days later..on a "fly-by"..

Cheney ran and hid in college, and then at the altar, and finally in Lynne's womb...

The repubes are brave little guys when it comes to jousting with missiles, and sending other people's kids to do the actual fighting..

They may show up with a plastic turkey and a pre-fab pep-talk from time to time, but other than that, they are still running and hiding like the cowards they are...
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:59 PM
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11. Fuck it. If they can blame the failure of their war on the very people..
..who told them it was a bad idea. And that strategy works? AmeriKa deserves the results.

Be like Kerry Imo. Circa 1971. Just do what's right. No more looking over our shoulders.

The New Gore? The New Kerry? Horseshit. The men we needed were right there and we shorted them.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:43 AM
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19. sure beats stumbling head first into an illegal war and a quagmire.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:45 PM
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21. What's Rove's strategy for winning the War of Neocon Aggression?
Strut and Spin?

Cheney's strategy for winning the War of Neocon Aggression must be Loot and Spin. :rofl:
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