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ConspiracyTheorist Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:47 AM
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PBS Frontline: The Dark Side (Full Video)
http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=12433
PBS Frontline: The Dark Side

On September 11, 2001, deep inside a White House bunker, Vice President Dick Cheney was ordering U.S. fighter planes to shoot down any commercial airliner still in the air above America. At that moment, CIA Director George Tenet was meeting with his counter-terrorism team in Langley, Virginia. Both leaders acted fast, to prepare their country for a new kind of war. But soon a debate would grow over the goals of the war on terror, and the decision to go to war in Iraq. Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and others saw Iraq as an important part of a broader plan to remake the Middle East and project American power worldwide. Meanwhile Tenet, facing division in his own organization, saw non-state actors such as Al Qaeda as the highest priority. FRONTLINE's investigation of the ensuing conflict includes more than forty interviews, thousands of pages of documentary evidence, and a substantial photographic archive. It is the third documentary about the war on terror from the team that produced Rumsfeld's War and The Torture Question.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:49 AM
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1. Very Kewl
Thanks so much :hi:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:24 PM
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2. Recommended for Greatest page
People need to see this one.

Really.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:03 PM
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3. Thanks - I missed it!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:23 PM
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17. Same boat here....thank you.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:16 PM
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4. I believe Frontline to be the best investigative journalism
program on television, this episode was a classic. A most devastating indictment of the Cheney/Rumsfield cabal and their "office of special plans" created for the sole purpose of lying to the American People about the run up to the war with Iraq.

As damning to the Bush administration as this program was, it could have been more so, had they mentioned Brewster Jennings, none the less it was most excellent.

Kicked and recommended

:kick:
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:17 PM
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5. ConspiracyTheorist thanks. And welcome to DU
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:25 PM
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6. Thank you!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:35 PM
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7. Thanks. k&r
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:45 PM
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8. Welcome to DU
Thanks for posting this. K&R

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:11 PM
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9. Thanks and a big ole K and R
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:36 PM
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10. Tenet going against Cheney....or Rumsfeld?
anybody who has read James Risen's "State of War" will have a real hard time buying the idea that Tenet was anything but a willing tool of Cheney and Rumsfeld, and submerged ANY differences he had with them over Iraq or the WOT beneath his desire to go along and get along with his "superiors"

didn't see Frontline (can't get it online), but the premise written into the link sounds completely opposite of Risen's: CIA was nothing but a tool of the Cheney/Rumsfeld whitehouse axis

a good deal of his book detail's the politically driven distortion of CIA findings, the dismissal of the CIA Baghdad station chief for his "aardwolf" report to the president, in which he accurately predicted in 2003 the chaos that would befall Iraq
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:41 PM
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11. see?
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 02:47 PM by Gabi Hayes
In particular, it excoriates the CIA under George Tenet's leadership for sacrificing the agency's independence and what Risen calls its “gravitational force”—its ability to draw policy-makers away from mistaken or dangerous ideas and towards the agency's presumably more accurate view of the world—by yielding to the relentless pressure that the administration placed on it.


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..... Risen vividly details how, in the hope of restoring the CIA to prominence, Tenet bound himself to Bush. Charmed by Tenet's gregariousness and towel-snapping machismo, Bush asked him to stay on as Director of Central Intelligence, thus denying Donald Rumsfeld the job.

Tenet made a Faustian bargain. Risen observes that in national security debates, the intelligence community, like the bureaucracy as a whole, “does serve one purpose: It tends to weed out really stupid or dangerous ideas, unethical and even immoral ideas, ideas that could get people killed or could even start wars.” But with Tenet betting the agency's status in the Bush administration on appeasing Bush, its independence—and therefore its potential to mitigate the self-deceptions to which any administration is vulnerable—was completely compromised. What's more, Tenet's pandering to Bush was actually counterproductive to maintaining the CIA's bureaucratic status: The CIA would quickly learn that in the hands of a radical administration, no amount of appeasement would ever suffice.

The effects manifested quickly. Risen charges that Tenet caved to Bush entirely on the torture of al-Qaeda detainees. After the 2002 capture of Abu Zubaydah, a bin Laden deputy, failed to yield much information due to his drowsiness from medical treatment, Bush allegedly told Tenet, “Who authorized putting him on pain medication?” Not only did Tenet get the message—brutality while questioning an enemy prisoner was no problem—but Tenet also never sought explicit White House approval for permissible interrogation techniques, contributing to what Risen speculates is an effort by senior officials “to insulate Bush and give him deniability” on torture. CIA operatives watched apprehensively, remembering the long history of presidents who authorize covert actions only to leave low-level field agents holding the bag when scandals surface.

Once Tenet supplicated himself to Bush—one of Tenet's former aides terms his old boss “a pussy”—the CIA was in no position to exert its influence on the policy toward Iraq. Pressure to ratify the invasion took a variety of forms, and Risen details them richly. When Hadley, now the national security adviser, instructed Tenet's deputy, John McLaughlin, “that the agency had to get over its dislike of Chalabi,” the Iraqi exile politician and neoconservative favorite who provided dubious Iraq intelligence to policymakers, “McLaughlin made it clear to Hadley that the CIA wouldn't stand in the way and passed the White House message back to CIA management.” Similarly, when Paul Wolfowitz complained about the CIA's rejection of the debunked “connection” between Saddam and al Qaeda, an ex-Pentagon official tells Risen, “George would say that he would fix it.”

In Risen's telling, Tenet “fixed it” vigorously. When senior CIA officials, fearful that invading Iraq would jeopardize the war on terror, took their concerns to Tenet, “He would just come back from the White House and say they are going to do it” no matter what, one ex-official tells Risen. As he writes, “Agency officials who appeared to be unenthusiastic about Iraq soon mysteriously found themselves sidelined, while their more eager and ambitious colleagues began to rise.” A 2002 CIA meeting became a “pep rally” for the war: “The pressure from the Bush administration was being transmitted directly into the ranks of the nation's intelligence community.”

CIA appeasement only emboldened its enemies. Here lies the difference between previous administrations and Bush's. While no policymaker accepts the CIA's judgments uncritically, neither did any of Bush's predecessors seek to cripple the agency outright. In an incident detailed in the Senate report, Jami Miscik, head of CIA analysis, pulled the agency's Mideast experts, who were dubious of an Iraq-al Qaeda connection, off an assessment of those ties entirely, leaving it to the more credulous terrorism analysts. But when even those analysts were constrained by the facts—the paper was sub-headlined “Assessing a Murky Relationship”—the Pentagon's Douglas Feith had his analysts prepare a briefing for senior officials arguing that CIA skepticism should be ignored. The briefing, which sought to highlight “Fundamental Problems with How Intelligence Community is Assessing Information,” suggested that the administration should shunt the CIA to the side on any issue in which it expressed inconvenient doubts.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0603.ackerman.html




since I can't see the video, let me know if I'm off base here, but the idea that Tenet ever lifted a finger (in the final analysis) against these creeps just doesn't wash. He did everything they asked him to, then got the blame
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:02 PM
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13. from a link at the Frontline site.....more on CIA 'extinction'
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/themes/cia.html

read the Tyler Drumeller interview

he's the guy who, as a result of his discussions w/German intelligence (the source of Curveball's third hand intel), THOUGHT his CIA superiors had excised the bogus Curveball mobile weapons lab citations from Powell's UN presentation. Risen reveals in the book that this info was exclusively from Curveball, without corroboration
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 06:47 AM
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24. I am starting to feel a bit sorry for Tenet...
I haven't read "state of war" but what I'm seeing here fits with what i know about politics and intelligence: the straight guy looses. I can believe their version of events with no stretch of the imagination what so ever...
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:42 PM
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12. Thanks for posting this... n/t
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:12 PM
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14. I saw this the other night when it first ran.
I HIGHLY recommend.

K&R!!!
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Cybergata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:19 PM
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15. Thanks, I was kicking myself for missing this.
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:20 PM
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16. Tagging for home.
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:23 PM
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18. Thank you ~
I missed this on television.

And welcome to DU :hi:

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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:15 PM
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19. Thank you
It wasn't shown in my area.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:29 PM
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20. Thank you and
Welcome to DU...
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:49 PM
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21. Excellent!
Thx.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:33 PM
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22. Thanks for the post. And people STILL don't believe these traitors
would be willing to pull off a 9-11 to get what they wanted...such a co-inky-dinky that Cheney had 5 flight practice maneuvers going on that very day...gee, what a coincidence! And the SS knew Dubya wasn't in danger in that school! Psychic, I tell ya!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:14 PM
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23. Thanks....
I had missed it on TV. I really appreciate this.

Seeing all the information laid out really just makes me ill. Where's the guillotine? Cuz these bastards deserve it.

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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:08 AM
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25. adding my thanks
and will pass on....
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 07:43 AM
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26. Thanks-Bookmarked for later!
BTW-Welcome to DU! While the anti-tinfoilers around here might give you some grief about your user name, I LOVE IT! :tinfoilhat:
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:04 AM
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27. I wanted to buy the DVD because there
is so much information in tht one program. Yikes! it's $59.95. Too bad they didn't price it so more people could afford to buy it.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 02:41 PM
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28. Dang! PBS just pulled it from U-tube!
I was in the middle of part 5!

Yeah I guess they want their 59.95..........
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 02:59 PM
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29. maybe they're reading this -
I just went to pbs.org because last night you could watch it @ their site. The DVD was $59.95. I just checked 2 see if I could still watch it on their site(doesn't appear you can) and the DVD price now is $29.99. That I will buy.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:58 AM
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34. You can watch it online from the PBS Frontline site itself >>>>>>>>>>
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 03:13 PM
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32. Yea, I'd like to force some Freepers to watch this on the big screen
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 03:06 PM
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30. This video needs to be viewed far and wide
It verifies all we've suspected for so long! And even brought upa few surprises!
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 03:10 PM
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31. Great background on 'president cheney'
and his bamboozling that led us to war. Don't miss this video.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 06:14 PM
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33. kicking
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