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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:39 PM
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Is the Santorum debacle really an exercise to research Dem reactions?
Remember in the 2004 election when the swiftboat ads first appeared and the Dems did nothing because they thought the whole idea was absurd? Well, I can't help but think that Santourm urgently calling a 'news conference', saying that US forces found WMDs in 2003 that were old, rusted, and of no use as proof that Iraq was a threat to the USA.... it's a fishing exercise folks. It's designed to test how much the GOP can get away with this election year. The GOP is looking at the Democratic response to things that are ludicrous to anyone with intellect and has been paying attention. How this works is simple, if there is no response from the Dems to oppose such statements, than absurd and ridiculous accusations can be brought against opponents in Congressional and Senatorial races with the full knowledge that the Dems will be slow to respond. The Democrats need to oppose everything the GOP throws at us and the American people, no matter how ridiculous the propaganda (and yes, it's propaganda). Eventually, the general public will begin to see the GOP as the pathetic demagogues that they really are.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:44 PM
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1. Exactly.
The Republicans have nothing without the ability to split the country, energize the base, and attack liberals.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:03 PM
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2. Does the GOP use such tactics? yes. Santorum? no.
this miscreant and waste of senatorial space is too stupid for anything so subtle and devious. He is simply a hypocrite who thinks that his way of supporting Bush's War on "an overwhelming sense of imminent danger" or whatever they call it. Oh yes. terror. That's the word.

Rickie poo cannot tie his shoe laces together without a prayer. To give him so much credit - his becoming the front man on testing how far they can push their recent pro-war PR-BS spin is simply mind-boggling.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:55 PM
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6. That is exactly the type of reaction the GOP hopes for.
Now an avenue is presented that the GOP can exploit to spread it's propaganda. We saw the same type of tactic used with the swiftboat ads and I remember asking what we were going to do about this and the answer I got was 'nothing, because the ads were ridiculous'. From now until the elections this year, everything the GOP says and does in Congress, no matter how absurd, must be challenged. Anything less paints a picture of 'do nothing' Democrats.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:11 PM
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15. ah, the PT Barnum theory of Rovian Politics. You may be right.
in fact, I now see the error of my ways and subscribe to your position.

That does not stop my jaw from dropping when I here Rickie "Fecal matter and sperm" talk, though.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:06 PM
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3. It could be you're correct...
They desperately need a strawman.

The Truth most certainly isn't with them.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:10 PM
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4. Correct. A Rovian probe of Dem defenses.(nt)
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:29 PM
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5. AS IF
I am not sure that Santorum could think that far into the future.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:05 PM
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7. Santorum can be manipulated by a GOP walking in concert to one another.
I'm not saying that Santorum has the brains for such a plan, only become the mouth piece. We're close to a very important election for the GOP, everything depends upon control of both houses for their plans to continue. Everyone in the WH, from Bu*h on down, knows that a Democrat controlled Congress would mean the 'gig is up' and all their lies would be exposed. I believe that everything the GOP brings up from now until election time, should be examined very closely. Well, there you have my opinion on this matter.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:45 PM
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13. Right, it's a critical time for nut-case "conservatives". Bush needs them
even more now. And they need him. It's always been a symbiotic relationship.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:06 PM
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8. No, I think in this case, it's just Santorum being his usual dumb-ass self
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:19 PM
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12. We shouldn't count on that, though..
We must assume the worst and craftiest all the time from now on. And if they're not as smart as we give them credit for, we win by a larger margin.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:47 PM
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16. there is much to what you say, BUT
several points to consider:

a) disinformation
b) assuming too much can actually empower the enemy
c) when given an important task, this group of neocons ALWAYS FAILS. EVERYTHING they have touched turns to shit. That takes talent.
d) when they screw up an important task, they get promoted from within For them, performance is something utterly alien to the rest of the world.
e) the solitary, single, unique and lonely talent they do have is Spin. At that, they are masters.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:09 PM
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9. Its useful cover for the 25% who still think WMDs were found
Those people are out there. I know one of them. They still swear they heard on Faux News that WMDs were found but that the librul media is suppressing it.

Santorum's posturing gives credence to those people who WANT to believe WMDs were found to justify their dear leader's war.

Its useful for the RW.

It was planned and it won't hurt Santorum with his base. It hopefully will hurt Santorum with the other 75% who hopefully are not comatose.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:13 PM
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10. Naw, this is just Santorum stepping on his dick again...
...just like he did with Terry Schaivo.

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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:17 PM
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11. Yeah, and look at the propaganda the Terry Schaivo bit helped spread. n/t
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:02 PM
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14. I agree, and since I've boycotted the corporate news channels
for two years now, I have no idea how this is being played. Is it being treated seriously? Is anyone from our side "nipping it in the bud", so to speak?
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