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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:18 PM
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Poll question: The cost of a Penny
First question is...Should we doscontinue the PENNY? Past surveys have a gender bias...so when answering, please identify your gender....WE ONLY KNOW OF TWO!! No cheating!

quote.......
US Congress that the cost of manufacturing a penny in 2006 would be about 1.23
end quote......
http://madsci.org/posts/archives/2006-06/1149471171.Ot.r.html

This is an old article and evidently they were right on...The current cost for the US Mint to make a penny is 1.23. The COST to industry is estimated at $15 BILLION
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:22 PM
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1. When gas prices are increased - you want them to go up a nickel?
That question posed on McLaughlin Group tonight regarding keeping of ditching the penny. I say we keep it.
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:52 PM
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18. We don't have 1/10 pennies and that doesn't stop them from adding in 9/10
Gas prices and any other commodity that is not bought in whole units can keep their current price. 90% of the time when you buy gas, the total sale price includes a fraction of a penny which is then rounded up. If pennies were eliminated, it would be rounded up to the nearest 5 cents (not a big deal if you ask me).

Though now that I think about it, would this only affect CASH transactions? In other words, could they get rid of the penny but still charge $1.73 to your credit card?
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:23 PM
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2. I'm a female and voted to discontinue but I do use them for
playing cards with my young grandchildren.

They will not let me take them back and give them quarters when we are finished playing---they love the pennies.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:24 PM
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3. Why would there be a gender bias to this poll?
Unless it's talking about Penny Marshall.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:33 PM
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9. They didn't explain...but there is one??
n/t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:49 PM
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24. I'm sorry, I don't understand that response.
Who are the "they" of whom you speak? I thought you started the poll?
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 09:48 PM
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30. Well, yes but
I was only repeating what I heard on TV. My GUESS is men don't like coins...so pennies are a waste as far as they are concerned.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:10 PM
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32. Thank you for the clarification. n/t
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:25 PM
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4. Not only the penny, but the paper dollar...
The average lifespan of a one dollar bill is 22-24 months. The average lifespan of a dollar coin is 20+ years.

"Many industries would stand to benefit if the golden dollar were incorporated into mainstream circulation, and the U.S. government would save an estimated $500 million a year from the cost efficiency of coin over paper."

http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2005-12-13/rabinovitch-goldendollar
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:31 PM
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7. TOO heavy
When you are poor you have a few dollars....try carry coins!

Damn Denver makes me carry 6 coins the size of a dime for ONE trip on the bus. WHY can't they make ONE coin for the VALUE of a trip?
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:35 PM
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10. 1 & 2 dollar coins are not at all heavy, when comparing wieght to worth.
It's all the little bastards that weigh you down. (here, at least)
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:53 PM
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25. Sorry again. Still not understanding.
Are you saying the municipal bus in Denver uses a type of token the size of a dime? And it takes six tokens to pay for a trip?

If I'm understanding correctly, that's really screwed up.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 09:45 PM
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29. By george you got it!
I have NO idea WHY they can't have ONE token the cost of ONE trip??? So I need 12 coins ( $3.00) the size of a dime for ONE round trip...really screwie
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:12 PM
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34. I guess they'll do anything to make public transportation
unattractive and difficult.

There's just no other explanation possible for that.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:26 PM
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5. Getting rid of the penny would probably worsen inflation...
And besides, is there any currency where there is no coin representing a unit of "one" of that currency?


Besides, I like the penny.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:56 PM
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20. It's really hard to find a one-cent coin of the Euro
At least, it is in Italy. I was in the country for about two weeks and received a grand total of one one-cent and two two-cent coins. For the most part, when the total was not divisible by five, the shopkeeper would round up in his change (or on, one or two occasions, round down and just not give me the penny, which I didn't question since I'd seen so few in my time there). I was very careful about my change as well, so it wasn't a matter of me being shortchanged. I think they just pretty routinely round to the nickel. So they make a one-cent Euro, but (if Italy is any indication) they don't use it much.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:08 AM
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22. Just seems that if the penny were gone, it would pull out another...
Just seems that if the penny were gone, it would pull out another psychological price barrier and prices would tend to go up more.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:30 PM
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6. I could see this leading to NO more hard currency...
Im against this, and yes my argument may be a pretty slippery slope, but whos to say that the next thing they want to rid of is the nickel, because its too much, then the dime... etc...

Im still VERY skeptical of E-money, and much prefer the paper and metal kind.

but thats just me
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:31 PM
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8. Well, this posters country is well proof that that does not happen,
and the rarity of the farthing indicates to me that things do not remain the same forever.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:38 PM
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11. We used to have half-pennies in the US, too. . .
Edited on Fri Jun-23-06 10:39 PM by Journeyman
before the Civil War. . .

There's a movement afoot to reintroduce it, but it's not going too well.


Coin Collectors Divided over New Bush Half-Penny




Washington, DC  |  Enthusiasm for the Thomas Jefferson buffalo tail nickel has not carried over to the George W. Bush horse's ass half-cent.

The majority of numismatists quickly gave a big thumbs up to the new five-cent piece. But the half-penny, dubbed simply "The Bush" by hobbyists, has sparked a bitter debate.

"Each half-cent will cost about 0.81 of a cent to mint, creating an unnecessary deficit every year," detractors of The Bush complain. "And it looks so much like a penny, The Bush will facilitate widespread dishonesty. The Bush is doomed to be a miserable failure."

"These will come in very handy when the President's Social Security reforms pass," insist supporters of The Bush. "Once the program is forced into bankruptcy, each retiree will get one in the mail every month. Or they can just feel around under the sofa cushion."

The traditional slogan "In God We Trust" is replaced by "Trust Me" on The Bush, which will make it highly sought after by collectors of U.S. coins with oxymorons.






Edited to add link: http://thespeciousreport.com/2005/05050307bush_penny.html
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:38 PM
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12. Postage increases are going to be a bitch
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:48 PM
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15. And gasoline
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SeattleVet Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:44 PM
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17. Gasoline is already priced in the non-payable .9 cents per gallon.
Just go through the normal pricing changes, and round the total to the nearest nickel. See my other post in this thread for an example of how that worked for us while we were in Germany.


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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:38 PM
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23. And what would that cost the consumers overall?
The article speaks to the billions this is costing the corporations. What about the consumer in total? I don't want gas to go up to satisfy rounding the nickel. Sorry.
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SeattleVet Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:10 PM
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33. I'm not saying that gas prices should round up to the nearest nickel
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 11:11 PM by SeattleVet
per gallon, but the total at the pump be rounded up/down. When gas goes up, it can still go up in cents and fractions, as it does now (we have no 1/10 cent coin, yet almost all gas prices in the US end in a 9/10th value). You pump to an even nickel value and you don't pay any extra. Yopu pump to $25.02 and you pay $25.00. You pump to $25.03 and you pay $25.05.

In the long run, across all of your purchases, it works out pretty darn close to breaking even (see my other post in this thread about how it worked when I was stationed in Germany and the US stopped shipping us pennies due to the cost).

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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:41 PM
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13. You know...
If people like me didn't hoard pennies, perhaps we wouldn't have to make so many each year.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:58 PM
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21. pennies also get swept up into the dustpan and thrown away.
I always pick them out, but I've seen people discard pennies very often.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 10:42 PM
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14. discontinue currency

only reason to still have it is for criminal activities.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:59 PM
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26. LOL! That's absurd!

There are plenty of perfectly legal activities I can engage in for which I would prefer there be no bank record.

Non-cash payment methods consolidate wealth in all the wrong places.

Currency is essential for freedom.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:23 PM
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31. actually it's quite absurd that we still make coinage and paper money

in 2006.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:40 PM
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35. I see. You want electronic payments to drive up prices and make
bankers richer. Good for you!

They don't have enough data on individuals already. They need the ability to track every minutia of your life. That's a good recipe!
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SeattleVet Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:42 PM
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16. Get rid of 'em and save us all the hassle.
When I was stationed in Germany in the early 80's the government stopped shipping pennies over to us - the cost to fly them in was too high. Everything got rounded to the nearest nickle at the Base Exchange, Commissary, base gas station, etc. Totals ending in 0, 1, or 2 got rounded down to the 0; those ending in 3, 4, or 5 rounded up. A couple of the guys in my shop cried long and loud about how we were all going to get screwed, that the rounding would wind up way into the store's favor. So we decided to track all of our spending over a month or so.

At the end of the time, most of us were within a few cents of breaking even. One guy was ahead about 30 cents. One was behind by about a quarter.

The way the gas station worked it was to go through 'normal' price changes - by the penny. We already have gas priced in .9 cent increments. Wherever you stopped pumping you just rounded to the nearest nickle. The rest of the prices in the BX and other stores stayed where they were, and went though their normal changes. Nobody got screwed.

Over the long haul it's pretty close to a break-even, since you usually purchase several items, which winds up making the totals very wide-ranging.


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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 11:55 PM
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19. I'd rather see the price of something go up by a penny...
instead of going up to the nearest five cents.

Just my opinion.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:47 PM
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27. a penny is representive of the 'little guys'-
and when they factor in the cost of manufacturing the penny- they aren't factoring in who will lose their jobs if a penny stops being produced- and get this... they say making penny change at fast food resturants, stores etc. costs such and such .... like duh... opening a roll of pennies might take someone a minute, and counting out change is part of the cost of using pennies.

We could do without nickels or dimes, but pennies? We're looking for troubles-
If a penny doesn't matter that much, why do stamps go up by pennies?

Keep the penny-
we won't be stuck in this madness forever-
and if we are, lets die with pennies in our pockets.

female- penny saver
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:19 PM
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28. I have enough pennys in a box to serve this state for 100 years
So they can quit making them any time they want.
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