UN. Fucking. Believable. FBI: Terror plot mostly talk

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Their only link to al-Qaeda was through an FBI informant fronting as a member of the terrorist group, authorities said Friday.

The group of men, who were arrested Thursday when authorities busted their alleged hide-out in a Miami warehouse, had no explosives and lacked adequate funding.

We can call it what it is. It's a dog and pony show. These two snips above show me complete lack of any type of evidence what so ever, and FBI entrapment. What they are doing is the equivalent of arresting someone because they wanted to buy a bag of weed from a cop. The defendant didn't HAVE any weed, but they arrested them because they THOUGHT about buying weed.

Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker. if that comes even CLOSE to getting past a Grand Jury for indictment that's the highest slippery slope I have ever seen. That would have gotten thrown out of the East German and Soviet Union courts in the 70's.


A plan hatched by seven men to blow up Chicago's Sears Tower and other buildings was "more aspirational than operational," FBI officials say.

So in six months, after the judge throws these completely bogus charges out for complete lack of evidence and FBI entrapment, is the Bush controlled whore press going to launch screaming headlines on the front page of every newspaper in the country indicating THAT as well?

Or are you going to put the story in on page 19 of the entertainment section underneath the ad for preparation H in extra small print?

I see Rove is back on the job. Oh, they are increasing the chocolate ration tomorrow. :eyes:

I'd bet the farm as a matter of fact.

in a storage trailer in the neighborhood. What do you do? You call the cops. The cops call the feds. The feds send someone in. Memebers mention their distrust for the government and want to blow something up. The informant then claims links to al Queda. Then their are arrests. Why arrest now? Because this wasn't serious and the feds went as far as this ever will go. That's why.

is the M$M's reaction and perpetuation of these bogus charges. I hope these kids sue the shit out of everybody when this is all done.

DANGEROUS!!!!!! n/t

the arrests were done at this particular time. Since you knew where they were, had all their phones tapped, and were watching them 24/7, doesn't it point to incompetence or wagging the dog.

:sarcasm: thing. Those guys were a bunch of trash talking blowhards, I suspect...

the response was that this was as far as they could take the case, so they decided to bust them now. In other words, since they couldn't find them doing anything illegal, they brought out the thought police and busted them for thinking bad thoughts. Yikes...welcome to the monkey house.

"Black guys conspiring to look like evil-doers, possibly bounce presidential numbers..."

or is that for real?

No need for a trial, either send them to GITMO or execute them NOW! :sarcasm:

not dangerous to actually have committed, or even seriously plotted any actual crimes (of any note, anyway). but, i suppose, dangerous in some way that certainly millions of other americans (and visitors) are dangerous, in that we might be capable of some pretty terrible crimes if the circumstances were right and the means were available.

Now imagine if that was you. They decide to arrest you tomorrow just to make an example out of you. They pick you up, toss a bunch of false charges on you, and plaster your face across every newspaper and cable news network in the country.

Next thing, you wind up sitting in jail for a month. Maybe you don't have the money or the credit to bail yourself out. So you just sit there, while all anyone including your boss, your friends, and your family knows, are what the newspapers and fox news is telling them about what you did.
:scared:

Now a month goes by, and luckily, a decent lawyer from the ACLU works pro-bono and gets all these false charges tossed out on their ear. Guess what...your life is still ruined, you got fired from your job, no one wants to hire you now, and your friends and family all look at you a little differently from that point on.

That's what is particularly scary about this whole thing. It's a tremendously tall slippery slope, designed to do nothing but cause the 33 per-centers to puff out their chests and strut around telling everyone what a great job the chimp is doing against terra.

immigrant. Here we go.

me and my buds don't stand around trash talkin abt how we're gonna blow up the sears tower

stupoodity has a price, sometimes a high one

We don't know if it was their intent or if the plant was cheer leading that part too. We don't know if they had the aspiration or if the plant was trying to rev it up.
We just don't know.

It's a shame when we have to doubt everything, when we have reason to, but we do.

At first we heard black muslims. Then bible studies. Then Catholic. Then whatever cult. But the push was black Muslims swearing oaths.

I'm sure because of them we're going to have to keep those warrantless wiretappings and whatever else they do or want to do, all these dangerous Muslims swearing oaths and plotting to kill us.

Maybe these guys did want to kill huge numbers, maybe they were trying to get that together and found this guy and asked for help doing it and he became an informant and this did break a terror plot.
Maybe they were just a group trying to find some way to focus and do better for themselves and families and were pretty odd and this plant found them and tried to stir them up.

And especially when used on poor, uneducated and confused teenagers.

I'd love to see this turfed out by the judge after the presentation of all the evidence.

Whether it is, in fact, entrapment will depend on who contacted whom and who suggested what, etc.

But as we all know, the FBI would never pull a dirty trick.

(I don't really need to utilize the SARCASM tag here, I hope!)

:D

I'm sure these guys are loonies, but I think there are far more dangerous loonies in this country.

Unfortunately, thanks to Patriot Act II, I'm not even sure what rights any US citizens have anymore. Have you read that yet? If not, neither have many of our senators & congressmen, but it's a scary fucking document. We have NO rights left.

There are several answers to that last question.

The message: Anyone can be called a conspirator.

How is what they were doing different from, say, PNAC? Answer: 100,000s of lives.

Exactly. In fact, they could be monitoring this thread right now and haul all our asses to Gitmo. Fascism, despotism, call it whatever, but it feels like we're just about there.

The only thing to do is hide in the Open . . with the Truth.

I wear a 30+ year old POW-MIA bracelet (I got out when all of this was getting started.) The fact it represents is True.

And BTW something I was wondering, Does is Really matter to some people, if Cpt. James V. Dawson, of Ky., who died the year after I was married, if asked what he'd rather have: all of the Heroism, and Patriotism, and "Glory" of Dying for " _________", if asked, wouldn't choose rather to be here alive now, not dead. And if it doesn't matter that JVD's own desire to live isn't the criteria for what happens to him, then there's nothing to live for really, but I don't think people REALLY think this, though it IS the implication of saying to others, "Don't question Patriotic Death and Dying." If anything has value, doesn't that have to be because the Individual makes it so in who and how they are what they are, not Others?

Sounds like the FBI informant, sent there by the FBI, is the one who gave these troubled kids the idea of linking up with al Quada.

This will get thrown out of court - unless, of course, the "terrorists" get thrown in Gitmo, in which case they will never see an attorney, never see the inside of a courtroom, never be accused of any crime, and probably die due to "suicide" in a year or two.

involved. I wonder how the FBI controls the tendency for its employees to engage in careerism, rather than any valid results, like real security.

for the masses.

that he worked 7 days a week and supported her 5 kids.... How is the hell did he have any time to plot this terror working seven days a week?

My eyes are not what they once were. Please com firm for me that your avatar represents WI Senator Russ Feingold and not Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty!

Tim Pawlenty looks more like Rick Sanitarium...

supplier. Case would have more credibility. As it is, I sure hope some more damning facts come out. Otherwise, they seem like super lightweights. First report I read, the first thing they asked FBI plant for was new boots.

Larry Silverstein was/is about the purchase the Sears Tower.

You wouldn't want to see this nice thread thrown into the dungeon, would you?

No conspiracies here...
:tinfoilhat:

It's perfect for an entrapment case with no evidence but the imaginary kind.

let's see how far he gets with Alito there to help him. I'm sure the rest of us losers meeting in warehouses and wearing ninja uniforms will be no trouble at all. Especially with all those nice internment camps they are building around the country for "emergencies."

Remember Rodney King? Will the Miami neighborhood where these kids lived catch fire like South Central?
an "emergency" may be not that far off.

What has happened to my country???????????

:cry:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/06/23/cts.batiste.indict.pdf

I am even more convinced that this is utter BS. At the May 26 meeting with the 'infiltrator' the group's leader says he is having problems inside his group. Maybe they were trying to distance themselves from the whole mess. My gut feeling is that they didn't want to play anymore.

I think we're going to have to just wait and see.

"Furthermore, Mr. Resident, do you think this crack team of drug addicts and alcoholics, who look like refugees from a Bob Marley concert, has the wherewithall to pull off such an operation?"

Repeat

They sold shampoo and hair grease on the street.



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fear fear fear fear fear....ooh a dollar...fear fear fear fear fear

There were 7 black men with really bad hair sitting around bitching about Bush. They were eavesdropped on and since John Kerry amendment for troop withdrawal did not pass that very day and 54 percent of Americans want us out of Iraq, it was perfect timing to run those 7 bad bad hair boys in. I might be next. I am on my cell phone everyday talking to a good friend on the phone, thrashing this administration and the current scandal the Republican Party has created that day.Cingular is always dropping our calls. We joke oops they didn't like that comment.

On page 28A of today's Miami Herald Final Edition is a blurry black & white photo of an unidentifiable figure in the corner of a room, ostensibly Narseal Batiste. Okay, no big deal....EXCEPT the caption reads "A surveillance photo, above, was secretly made during the investigation." Okay, still no big deal, EXCEPT the imprinted date visible on the photograph is "Jul. 11, 2001." Of course there's no reference to this mystery date in the many stories on the arrests...

What a load of crap.

"Try it you'll like it!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1498757

I mistakenly shot a large jagged hole in the lid of my best bean pot, while cleaning my trimbling, anti terra-ist, Webley and I fixed it up good as new with duct tape!

Duct tape is great for that special Watergate poker date too!

Don't let any of that gooy stuff on the back of the Duct tape get in your beans, unless you have holes in your stomache.

and to keep the baby's little hands busy too. I even stuck a wad of it on my terra-ist like x mother-in-law's large, bad mouthing, hateful, lips once on a long road trip. It made for a more quiet ride and an all around more enjoyable trip. :sarcasm:

then again, one astronaut snuck a roll in on the space shuttle, and people were pissed that he did. until. they used that roll and ended up slicing the remnants into ever smaller pieces because it was too handy.

since then, every flight has had at least one full roll stowed for usage.

Today at the store I got TWO roles because it was buy 1 get 1 free.

I am ready for anything.

Minus the whole calathentics part, about the same thing hundreds if not thousands of disaffected, dissatisfied groups of young people did during the sixties and early seventies. How did we ever survive those days:eyes:

The Cut an Ran VP came to Chicago 13 Hr's After the plan was told to us. He has a right wing nut case fundraiser. So all he talks about for the first few min,s is" We Told Last Week We Would Be Attacked From Within" If it smells funny it is!!!! Rove told us we will win on the Terror Issue. Brothers an Sisters get ready for the 04 plan of terror warnings for the next few mnt's until after the 06 run.Scare America they will vote Republican.

used to ignore.

9/11?
“You want to go and disrupt cells like this before they acquire the means to accomplish their goals,” Acosta said. Is this statement supposed to make us feel safe and secure? Well, it ain't working on me.

Except a few 100,000s of lives.

The mainstream media has already convinced the public of a bunch of lies, so even if they retract and/or correct their stories, the population at large will still believe in the conservative lies. Once again, the MSM proves that they are nothing more than a collective mouthpiece for conservative propaganda.

I will stop giving them money, unless the Correct themselves.

NPR has been complicit with the Republicans since 1996.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5507130

propaganda.

Except for our local programming, which is has great production values, but some pretty wimpy content sometimes. I wish they'd have K. Sebelius (gove. Ks.) on.

Even Fox News Sunday has two NPR shills out of four panelists on their right-wing kangaroo court.

Brit Hume, Bill Kristol, and two puppets.

Terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra terra...

are these weird, homegrown wannabes?

Oh- and whatever happened with that Anthrax thing?

you have to look at the other stories that are out now. That being the administration's program to look into people's financial transactions. What better way for the administration to change headlines than for Atty Gen. Gonzalez to order a terror raid. As harmless as the aleged terrorists may have been, the plan worked. For the past two days the media has been stuck on covering this story, moving the admin's new spy program to the back burner.

“You can’t allow somebody to commit the crime before you detain them, because if they commit the crime, thousands of innocent people die,” Condoleezza Rice

Lets arrest all the criminals before they comment the crime. This may be the scariest thing they have done yet. And that is saying alot.

we used to joke about the Black Panthers having more FBI in it than actual members

And here I thought last months increase was good news!

More people should be prosecuted for their aspirations!!!!

very fucking believable with this bunch, unfortunately :shakeshead:

Fawning over themselves, devoting a days to the Miami Bozos in the name of TERRORISM. This is what the Democrats cannot control, the machinery to get their word out.

allegiance to Captain Crunch! This is a load of crap! :mad:

the fact that these guys were trying to plot terror in the US is of concern.

I don't know that it meets the threshold of anything beyond conspiracy to commit terror.

And I don't see how this kind of thing really battles the war on terror.

Would these guys have looked for someone in al Queda to link up with otherwise?

Would they have committed a terrorist act on their own?

I don't personally think they were much of a risk. But I wouldn't compare it to buying a bag of weed from an undercover officer except that it borders on entrapment.

Seems that nothing is entrapment anymore. Cops can pretend to be 14 year old girls to bust sex offenders. The crime, looking for 14 year old girls.

Cops can pretend to be al Queda and bust would be wannabe terrorists. Crime, wanting to be terrorists.

I don't know what the answer to this is, because we don't need people connecting with 14 year old girls on the internet for sex, and we don't need homegrown terrorists.

It seems we have probably fallen prey to the terrorists by allowing ourselves to live in fear of them.

I guess it's better not to ask or even wonder because they set the bar so low it will be well underground soon. :-(

The Grand Jury charges that:

At all times relevant to this indictment: 1. The US of A is a country with, as the Grand Jury believes, 50 states. 2. The name "FBI" is used by an organization, FBI, with an annual budget of 4.3 billion dollars and 455 offices in the US of A. 3. The "black people", also called "brothers" or simple "terrorists", are a minority group in the US of A which is trying to destroy the happy life of white rich people ("masters of the universe") by sitting and standing in plain sight on the street.

Count 1:

From at least as early as in or about November, 1492, the exact date being unknown to the Grand Jury (the NSA didn't want to tell us), and continuing until on or about the date of the return of this indictement, in the District of Florida, in the Bahamas, in the Deep Ocean, on the Moon, and elsewhere (only the NSA knows), the defendants:

THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE
THE FBI
THE US OF A

together with others unknown to the Grand Jury (damn those NSA bitches), did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate and agree to provide material support and resources, yadda yadda, to a local terrorist organization, that is, poor black people, by agreeing to provide boots, digital video cameras and recorders, cars, and personnel, including secret FBI undercover agents, to work in support of terrorists, that is, poor black people, yadda.

MANNER AND MEANS OF THE CONSPIRACY

The manner and means by which the conspirators sought to accomplish the purpose of the conspiracy, includes, among other things (anybody knows a guy in the NSA by any chance?):

1. The defendants gave the terrorists, ie, the "brothers", boots, so that they could run quicker and pursue their evil plans of making life miserable for us white guys faster than ever before. It is estimated that they could now stand around among three times as many white people as before in the same amount of time, and even travel into the suburbs.

2. The defendants gave the terrorists digital cameras, for a purpose unknown to the grand jury. We just got confirmed that the NSA is cooperating with the grand jury in providing the following manuscript.

Brothers: "Thanks for de boots man, that was, like, de greatest thing ever, man. Hey, that's a nice and shiny camera you have there. Man, I would LOVE to have one of those."
Defendant: "Hey, no problem, dude. But you have to promise me to take a couple of pictures of that big fat government building over there, the one with all the surveillance cameras and the black helicopter flying over it."
Brother: "Oh, yeah, sure, man, no problem. Just give me that nice and shiny camera real quick. I can't believe you have such a lovely camera for me, you really love your brothers. That won't be forgotten, man."
Defendant: "Remember to take the pictures of the building."
Brother: "Sure, man. What building? Whatever, see you around, dude. Keep it up."

Count 2: The defendants did increase their effort to mobilize the brothers when they were on the brink of faltering.

In summary: The defendants did knowingly support and sponsor a terrorist groups, known as the brothers, neglecting the threat they pose to the existing world order, which suits us very fine, thank you. Next time, give them the camera, but not the boots. Oh, that's just in from the NSA: "You have an appointment with your doctor about readjusting your potence medication in 30m..." Oops.

A true hack.

The FBI comes in and offers nice boots and camera equipment to some poor folks, tells them they have to take some bullshit oath, they go along with it to get the boots and the camera, and they go to jail. How does the FBI know whether or not this crew was serious or just hustling them for free boots? People from the neighborhood say that this guy walks around in a bathrobe muttering and uses a cane. I'll tell you what, in NYC there are a bunch of half-insane homeless vets that hang out on the corner. I bet they'd pledge allegiance to al qaida for a slice of pizza. Should I go ahead and start rounding them up too?

Racist scumsucking pigs.

I suggest you round them up and make them pledge alliegiance to something silly, like, lifelong membership to the philosophy of the left sandal, and eternal consumption of chips and beer (give them sandals and snacks and beer for that). You get the drift.

If Michael Moore were still to make the Awful Truth, that could have been a segment :) Only topped by the smokers with removed throats who sang christmas songs, and the felons for product advertisement.

assassinating Dems and liberals all the time.

highly skilled, well run professional organization?


Now they're just another governmental bureaucracy resembling the Keystone Cops.


Damn shame what the rethugs have done to this country.

...Than catching them after the fact, I'm starting to wonder if 911 was just a media hoax too.

This is the whole reason the terrorists are kicking our asses-- They figured out how to push on us just right, and now we're terrorizing ourselves just to sell commercial slots on the evening news.

:hi:

They believe and live in fear, constantly... every word...that's who Rove is going for...

And the Dem candidates also believe(the bullshit)and follow it to their end....Pitiful!

Their only link to al-Qaeda was through an FBI informant fronting as a member of the terrorist group, authorities said Friday.

The FBI guys are the real middlemen.

This is the standard MO.

They convicted that Lodi dude on BS charges. All the .gov had was a well paid informant.

believing they had someone on the hook with cash, was planning to scam them out of money and/or stuff they could sell? It sounds like this group is closer to Trekkies than terrorists.

Meanwhile, more academics are taking on the official story of 9/11.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060623132647406

Luckily for the defendents, it's punishable by a Dick Cheney firing squad. Of course, the reporters covering this event will need to take care not to get their faces shot.