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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:26 AM
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Christian video game coming in October
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959

Good gravy but those Christian conservatives get more and more scary the more I hear about them.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:41 AM
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1. Not only that...
...but it is FULL of spyware!
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:30 PM
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19. Really?
Which ones?
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ThsMchneKilsFascists Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:01 PM
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21. this one for starters
Left Behind is packed full of in-game ads and spyware built to track it. An in-game advertising engine built by Double Fusion, an in-game marketing company, will monitor the amount of time ads are seen, how often you play the game, where the player lives, and personal information on the player. It then sends this data back to Double Fusion's servers.

"All Double Fusion campaigns provide detailed campaign reporting for full accountability, and, unlike other media, advertisers only pay for the time their ads are seen...unlike TV, unlike the web, and unlike print," said Double Fusion.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/714/714457p1.html
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:06 PM
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22. Whoa.
On the one hand, it's evil. On the other hand, I'm tempted to say, "Ha! Let the spybots eat them!"
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:48 AM
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2. could you imagine the outrage if
a game was marketed with either Jews, Mormons or Catholics trying to convert or kill others?

I hope this wakes people up to the true intentions of Evangelicals ("by force if necessary").
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:55 AM
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3. Hell, that's nothing.
Imagine if the game was done from the perspective of Muslims, Wiccans or atheists.

If that were the case, this would be front page news in all the major media, but because it features the National Official Religion of conservative protestant Christianity, this story will get buried on page six if it gets reported at all. And that is the part that makes me so angry.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:58 AM
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4. Just desensitizing all the good little Christian kids
For the time when this game becomes reality.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:24 PM
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5. games are coming because jesus is not? nt
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:30 PM
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6. Please take the time to read the link and rate this one up for
visability. K&R
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:34 PM
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7. I Just Can't Get Enraged At Any Video Game.
Just because for once one is coming out that has tones and messages I don't agree with doesn't make me any more apt to.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:55 PM
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8. I disagree.
I don't have a problem with games like Grand Theft Auto because there is a clear dividing line between the fantasy world of the game (however repugnant that may be) and the real world.

Left Behind: Eternal Forces is something else entirely because it blurs the line between in-game violence and the real world in a way that I find absolutely chilling. The target audience of this game wants to see these events played out in real life. Not only do they see it as desirable, but they get angry at anyone who doesn't see it as desirable.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:16 PM
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9. That's The Same Logic The Other Side Uses When Attacking Games We Condone.
I won't be part of any of it.

This is no more going to force the kids playing it to kill jews on the street than GTA would make us go and steal a car. I try to avoid hypocrisy as much as possible so I'm not going to protest this concept just because it is one I don't like. It is a game every bit as much as GTA is a game and the same rules should apply.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:04 AM
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10. This isn't about right vs. left.
I find the vast majority of "video games/music/movies causes undesirable behavior X" to be complete hogwash, and sadly, most such arguments come from DINOs, not Republicans (e.g. Hillary).

However, I still put this in the category of that white supremacist group that made a game that involved killing non-whites.

Am I saying that every single person who plays this game is going to become a serial killer over night? Of course not. I am simply pointing out that this thing blurs the lines between video game violence and the real world in ways that normal video games (even morally questionable ones) do not.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 11:46 AM
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13. And I'm Saying It Doesn't. It Just Does To You Cause This Time You Don't
like the context. At least that's my take on it.

I also never said anything about left vs right. The other side in this context are the raving lunatics that boycott any other video game.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 12:37 PM
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14. It's not about the context.
It's not because I disagree with the politics of the game.

It's not about being pro-video game or anti-video game.

Please stop trying to use straw men as arguments.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:28 PM
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17. ...
:eyes:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:12 AM
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11. Reminiscent of Grant Theft Auto 3...?
Seems a tad hypocritical too.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 12:41 PM
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15. Grand Theft Auto is not remotely comparable to this.
Contrary to the wailing of pseudoliberals like Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman, GTA does not turn kids into mass murderers. It's a fantasy world and anyone playing the game makes a clear distinction between the fantasy world of the game and the real world. The primary audience of GTA does not play the game while thinking "Gee, I wish this would happen in real life so that I could experience it."

Not.

Remotely.

Similar.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:11 PM
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23. And I'm Sure GTA Doesn't Fill The Screen With Massacred Corpses
like the Left Behind game does.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:51 PM
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26. That is irrelevant.
At face value, GTA is extremely morally reprehensible. It doesn't matter how good or bad the content in the game is, what is troubling or not troubling is the way in-game violence and the real world are blurred together by right-wing ideology.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:29 AM
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12. PLEASE change your title
there is NOTHING "Christian" about the people behind that game.... they apply the label to themselves but we should not fall for it... think "Healthy Forests"..."Clear Skies"...."Swift..." well you get the point.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 12:44 PM
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16. Who are you to declare who is and isn't a Christian?
If I understand Christian theology correctly, anyone who believes in Jesus Christ and accepts him as a "personal savior" is a Christian, even if the Christian in question is completely evil by every conceivable standard.

Whether or not you find someone morally inadequate is completely irrelevant to whether or not someone is or isn't a Christian, and by the teachings of the Bible it is not your place to run around declaring who is and isn't a Christian (unless you're (A) Catholic and (B) the Pope).
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:33 PM
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20. I suggest being more specific.
"Left Behind" or "WASP Doomsday" game, for example.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:56 PM
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28. Did you mean to reply to a different post?
Otherwise, I don't understand your comment at all.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:30 PM
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18. If they're calling themselves Christians, they're "Christians". nt

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:21 PM
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24. Convert Catholics?
:wtf:

Catholics are the oldest (or second-oldest - considering some forms of Orthodox) Christian religion still in existance.

Why would they need to "convert" them, as it says on the link? How stupid.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:44 PM
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25. Interesting. The game goes both ways, sort of to say....
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 04:50 PM by icymist
<snip>
This game immerses children in present-day New York City -- 500 square blocks, stretching from Wall Street to Chinatown, Greenwich Village, the United Nations headquarters, and Harlem. The game rewards children for how effectively they role play the killing of those who resist becoming a born again Christian. The game also offers players the opportunity to switch sides and fight for the army of the AntiChrist, releasing cloven-hoofed demons who feast on conservative Christians and their panicked proselytes (who taste a lot like Christian).

So, if playing this game, I could be a 'Christian' blowing away 'AntiChrists' or an 'AntiChrist' blowing away 'Christians'!?!
Also, I just realized, this game is full of spyware, as mentioned above, collecting information on who's playing and will know what side they played?!!! Makes you wonder.
<snip>
"It's absurd," said the video critic. "You can be the Christians blowing away the infidels, and if that doesn't hit your hot button, you can be the Antichrist blowing away all the Christians."

The firm's CEO is relying on network marketing through pastoral networks as a key part of his business plan, according to a report in the March 6, 2006, issue of Newsweek Magazine:

Left Behind Games CEO Troy Lyndon, whose company went public in February, says the game's Christian themes will grab the audience that didn't mind gore in "The Passion of the Christ." "We've thought through how the Christian right and the liberal left will slam us," says Lyndon. "But megachurches are very likely to embrace this game." Though it will be marketed directly to congregations, Forces will also have a secular ad campaign in gaming magazines.
As part of its marketing pitch, Left Behind Games hypes the realism with which it portrays the neighborhoods of New York City. There is, for the most part, a remarkable verisimilitude except for one detail - all of the ambulances have 911 painted on their roofs. In the reality-based world, most ambulances have a red cross on top. Yet the game designers make prominent use of these 911 ambulances to evoke the tragic events of September 11, 2001. The historical context of 911 is invoked as if to say, We are living in the End Times, and Muslims are among the kinds of infidels whom you should fear, whom you should be prepared to kill for your cause.

Can you imagine belonging to the Christian Faith in one of these 'megachurches' and your kid brings home one of these games from that very church?! If that doesn't wake them up about the intentions of that church, then they are really Lost with a capital 'L'.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:55 PM
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27. I don't understand your comment.
Can you imagine belonging to the Christian Faith in one of these 'megachurches' and your kid brings home one of these games from that very church?! If that doesn't wake them up about the intentions of that church, then they are really Lost with a capital 'L'.


Why would that "wake them up"? You're making a very big assumption here: that the average attendee of one of those megachurches would find the content of this game in any way questionable. I seriously doubt any of them would.
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