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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:26 PM
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Why there have been NO terror attacks in the USA since 9/11
It is really very simple.

Terrorists do what they do to make the population of a nation fear them and so magnify the importance of their cause.

Well, since 9/11, the GOP Crime Syndicate has done everything in their power to magnify the importance of Al Queyda, and have kept a significant portion of the nation terrorized by Al Queyda.

It would be absolutely pointless for a terrorist group who had attacks ready to go in the USA to launch those attacks while the nation is still terrorized.

Bush and the GOP Crime Syndicate have been the best soldiers Osama Bin Laden has ever recruited.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:30 PM
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1. Don't ya think there are other reasons that haven't been addressed yet

Unless you think the terrorists wanted to promote fear for the sake of fear.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:34 PM
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3. They have achieved everything they sought.
We pulled all of our troops out of Saudi Arabia and closed our bases there. We got into a war with a nation they despised, and are getting our asses kicked there. And we live in mortal terror of them such that we react to their every pronouncement.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:21 PM
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15. Yeah, that all they wanted. :sarcasm:

Did they also want nacent pro-west goverments formed in Afganistan and Iraq. We're out of SA, but we have more bases in the middle east now then ever. And the leaders making announcements are dying or being captured.

And their children can stil get on the internet and access porn.

They have more reason than ever to attack the US.






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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:34 PM
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17. Not really
There are shrines and other holy sites in Iraq, but nothing on the scale of Mecca, which is sacred to Islam the same way Jerusalem is sacred to Judaism.

As for the "permanent" bases we're building, I doubt we'll actually be in possession of them for long: either the "legitimately elected" government will try and kick us out to save their own hides, or some powerful militia like the Mahdi Army will lay siege to them.

And I don't think the "terrorist leaders" we've succeeded in rubbing out are the real leaders of the movement. Notice we haven't caught Osama or Zawahri.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:31 PM
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19. Other than Saudi Arabia...
...can you mention any other bases the U.S. abandoned (surrendered) in the last thirty years? Once we build them, especially the big ones, we tend to keep them regardless of the will of the people or state in which they're located.

I am not as confident as you that we'll be vacating our bases in Iraq or around the Caspian Basin any time soon.
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 03:15 PM
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21. I don't really know
American military preparedness is definitely not my area of expertise.

However, my understanding is that some of the places we've kept garrisoning since the end of WWII, we're redeploying out of: Germany we're cutting way back, Japan we're encouraging to stand up so we can stand down, other NATO countries, maybe the Phillippines? Of course we don't really need such a big deterrent against the Soviet threat these days...
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:41 PM
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35. I kinda' take the Chalmers Johnson point of view...
...rearrangement of some assets is not the same thing as a "stand down". This from the National Security Strategy of the United States, September 17, 2002, which can be found at Whitehouse gov:

    The presence of American forces overseas is one of the most profound symbols of the U.S. commitments to allies and friends. Through our willingness to use force in our own defense and in defense of others, the United States demonstrates its resolve to maintain a balance of power that favors freedom. To contend with uncertainty and to meet the many security challenges we face, the United States will require bases and stations within and beyond Western Europe and Northeast Asia, as well as temporary access arrangements for the long-distance deployment of U.S. forces. (emphasis added)
The NSS, which is very much a happy-politico-speak version of PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" (which in turn is a rewrite of the Cheney-Wolfowitz-Libby 1992 draft Defense Policy Guidance, thought too extreme by GHWB and rejected), makes it very clear that the Bush Regime means not to stand down, but to build beyond our basing as it existed when they came in to power. The purpose is to pre-position U.S. military threat in all regions of the world to defeat any nation unwilling to bend to our will or that would have the audacity to try to compete with us in any fair way. We have bombs and bullets everywhere with fingers ever-ready on the triggers.

To be fair, this did not start with George-the-man-child-Bush. Securing and expanding empire has been the primary rationale behind U.S. foreign policy since (at least) WWII, beginning in such illustrious notions as this:

    The US has about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming, and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives.

    We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism and world benefaction. We should cease talks about such vague and unreal objectives as human rights and raising of living standards and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.
    -- George Kennan, PPS 23, 1948
A freeper might say, so what, we benefit from these arrangements, we fatten ourselves through the death and destruction we rain down, or threaten to rain down, on the rest of the world. Putting the easy moral argument aside (which, btw, is more than sufficient), the freeper should be aware of who really benefits from these arrangements. 90% of the wealth of this country is locked up in the top 10% of the population; 68% in the top 1%. When our children are maimed or die in the desert sands of Iraq, they die in large part to protect the comfort of this thin slice of American people. The rest of us? "Cannon fodder" and "useless eaters" -- remarks purportedly once uttered by GHWB and Henry Kissinger, respectively.

Notice in Kennan's remarks (from more than a half-century ago), "In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment." Sounds a lot like "they hate us for our freedoms". They do. But, again, it's important to keep in mind who the "us" is, and what these "freedoms" are. The "us" again is that top 1% who inordinately benefit from arrangements; and the "freedoms" spoken of here are the freedoms of the master to exploit the slave, the hegemon to lord over other nations at will and whim. The NSS I referred to above even suggests we'd go to war to keep marginal tax rates low in other nations. Crazy bullsh*t, for sure.

A recent example of garrisoning the empire: Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo. Halliburton built it in 1999 after the U.S. bombed and seized 1,000 acres in Kosovo. It is the largest encampment since the Vietnam War (that is, if the 4 similar bases in Iraq don't surpass it), so large that it actually has "neigborhoods", strip malls, and all the accoutrements you'd expect of a typical American middle class community. It serves as an impregnable island, opague to the local population, with few servicemen venturing outside -- kind of a bit of U.S. smack in the middle of a foreign land, where troops can rest and play as if at home until deployed on one or another police action or war.

Why build in Kosovo? Why redeploy from Germany and Italy to a modernized, self-sufficient, impregnable and secretive new base? Google the trans-balkan AMBO pipeline for answers. The fact that the Caspian Basin has been a bit of a bust means Camp Bondsteel itself may be of less importance, but we should not kid ourselves -- we bomb them, build our bases, and advance our imperial agenda free of "such vague and unreal objectives as human rights and raising of living standards and democratization" (Kennan, PPS 23), governed instead by "straight power concepts".

It requires a near-monopolistic and complicit media to lull so many "useless eaters" into their role as "cannon fodder", but such is the success of our overclass these last few decades.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:01 PM
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30. i know we left the base in frankfurt
it is being retooled as part of the airport, already the largest airport in europe

it is pretty recent, since my trip there i've talked to people who served there who didn't know it had been shuttered
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:33 PM
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2. There have been attacks remember the Anthrax
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:35 PM
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4. Those were staged by the Government.
Not terrorists. (Though actually, the Government ARE terrorists.)
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:37 PM
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6. My fear is when is Bushco going to mount its next terror attack.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:22 PM
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16. :tinfoil:
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newblewtoo Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 03:24 PM
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22. yea,
and wasn't it Daschle who got attacked? I had forgotten all about that.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:37 PM
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5. Isn't like an Anxiety attack? Is that what we are supposed
to be feeling? Terra Terra Terra aka "Chicken Little Syndrome"

We could be attacked tomorrow by anything, we could be in a car accident, damn, anything could happen but we can't go around expecting it to.....
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Cybergata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:39 PM
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7. Spreading fear is a ...
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 12:41 PM by Cybergata
the only means that this administration has to get people behind them, and that is wearing really thin right now. It seems that so much that has been coming out of the news Media in the last six years has been nothing but just how much the world can hurt us. I prefer to look at it as just how much love and goodness the world has to give us. Everywhere there are good people ready to help others. Unfortunately those aren't the people in power. I believed in the power of optimism, and it hasn't failed me in the past 50 some years.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:40 PM
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8. Exactly. Why should they attack us....
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 12:41 PM by charlyvi
They've already been successful beyond their wildest dreams. They hate us for our freedom? Those freedoms have considerably dried up, or been suspended, thanks to the bush crime family.

I suspect the next right wing justification for these crimes against our Americanism will be: So what if we have no privacy, a Congress in name only declining any oversight duties at all, a judiciary packed with judges whose idea of jurisprudence is medieval; hell, at least we havent been ATTACKED! Let's keep this here status quo! Not realizing, or not caring perhaps, that these fundamental changes in our society have served up our liberty on a platter for Bin Laden to feast upon. They are winning because we are becoming what we hate in them.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:42 PM
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9. It's Even More Simple Than That.
There ALWAYS will have been no terror attacks since the last one.

As a matter of fact, why haven't I eaten anything since my last meal?
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:43 PM
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10. It's disgusting when Bushco says things like, "They hate for our freedoms"
At the same time stripping those very freedoms and saying "freedom isn't free" It's very Orwellian.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:47 PM
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11. There have been, the anthrax letters...
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:48 PM
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12. You are correct sir. Why would Al-Qaeda want to attack us again?
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 12:51 PM by tjwash
They accomplished all their goals already.

The patriot act, warrant-less wire tapping, people living in constant fear and spying on their neighbors, a never ending war that has escalated defense spending to the point that it will eventually bankrupt us, the collapse of the Iraqi government by the US that formerly kept them from opening up any terrorist training camps there, and the hatred and despising of us by the rest of the world.

Why would they want to fuck any of that up by attacking us again?

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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 03:08 PM
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20. I don't think the goal of Al Qaeda and like minded...
...terrorist organizations was/is to turn the U.S. into a totalitarian regime even freer to wage class-based imperial terror around the world. No, the Patriot Act and warrant-less wire tapping, indefinite detentions and rigged elections, 750+ anti-Constitutional signing statements, torture memos and Guantanamo and Abu Graib -- go back further to the rabid impeachment of a popular President for a lie about a sexual dalliance, further still to death of the Fairness Doctrine and the march to a monopolistic major media -- and observe we have a political class that ignores all these things in steadfast service of, well, whom?

Al Qaeda, regardless of debate over Incompetence/LIHOP/MIHOP, is this decade's stand-in for the boogie man threat of "communism" in days of old, or the threat of "narco-terrorists" (anyone recall how GHWB used to throw that around all the time, especially in the run-up to the invasion of Panama?). Osama Bin Laden has not been caught for the same reason a Republican pResident, Republican Senate, Republican House, Republican courts, and Repubulican media have done nothing to resolve the "problem" of abortion -- it is a great rallying card, around which they can retain power and manufacture consent for imperial adventures that serve to enrich themselves and their sponsors.

Al Qaeda has it's own agenda. Georgie Bush has his own. It's clear, however, that Bush's agenda has been advancing quite nicely these past six years.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:21 PM
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32. Unless of course George Bush was the head of Al Qeada...
Keep in mind, it was George Bush Sr. that built Al Qeada in the 80's to help destroy the Soviets. Our CIA was running the Mujahadeen through the ISI in Pakistan but these Mujahadeen were primarily Pakistani and Afghanis. The Al Qeada campaign was being run through Saudi Arabia and Osama Bin Ladin though they weren't known as Al Qeada at that time. They adopted the name Al Qeada just about the time we attacked Iraq the first time.

If Bush didn't lose control of the monster he created then who is running Al Qeada? Osama Bin Laden? Or is he just a General in Bush's shadow government? If Bush has control over Al Qeada, wouldn't that go a long way in explaining why "Bush's agenda has been advancing quite nicely these past six years" in spite of his flagging popularity (which he constantly says he doesn't give a shit about)?
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:50 PM
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36. A fun song by The Rub seems appropriate here...
"George Bush is an Islamic Fundamentalist"

This is for the folk, for all the simple folk, for the good ol' down home folk -- alright --
Straight Allentown -- this is for you folk
Here's an interesting bit of conspiracy theory for ya'

George Bush is an Islamic fundamentalist obviously
Trained by Al Qaeda in the heart of Texas to fight for the faithful army
He's now in the process of uniting the rest of the world against the good old US of A
The Land of the Free will come crashing down if he has his way
It's the only explanation our Bushie Boy is an Islamic fundamentalist
He's three-quarters of the way through his plan already and no one's even noticed
There must be a damn fine Al Qaeda training camp they've got down there in Texas -- hehaw --
Getting him to pretend he's as thick as pig sh*t was a stroke of pure bloody genius

Chorus
George Bush is an Islamic fundamentalist obviously
Trained by Al Qaeda in the heart of Texas to fight for the faithful army
He's now in the process of uniting the rest of the world against the good old US of A
The Land of the Free will come crashing down if he has his way -- trust me --

He's presided over or has been directly involved with one of the worst financial disasters of a generation
Every move he makes seems to be directly against the interests of his nation -- haven't you noticed? --
He's used the media to increase the social insulation of an already fairly blind population -- since the McCarthy Days --
And now he's declared war on Islam just to increase the consternation
As far as I can see there is only one explanation
George Bush is an Islamic fundamentalist obviously

These days on the streets you hear all kinds of interesting conspiracy theories cause no one knows what the f*ck's going on we're all looking for explanations
The most interesting one I heard the other day was the West is controlled by geniune democracies that actually represent the will of their populations brrrrr then the one about aliens the antichrist and free masons is more laughable -- ha ha ha ha --
I think my theory is much more plausible
-- let me tell you about it, it goes like this --
George Bush is an Islamic fundamentalist obviously
It really is the only explanation I can see
For his truly anti-American foreign policy

Now at this point I would ask you to all sing along with the chorus normally
If it wasn't for the fact that there are cameras on the premises and the CIA may be requisitioning the tapes at any time, so
I recommend that under all circumstances catchy though this number is that
You do not sing along
You do not even smile
I recommend the most you do is tap your feet
But you do that at your own risk

One, two, three, four
George Bush is an Islamic fundamentalist obviously
Trained by Al Qaeda in the heart of Texas to fight for the faithful army
George Bush is an Islamic fundamentalist obviously
George Bush is an Islamic fundamentalist obviously
George Bush is an Islamic fundamentalist fundamentalist fundamentalist
mentalist mentalist mental -- fundamental george george george george

(Available here: http://www.myspace.com/robtherub , third song down "George Bush is")
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:50 PM
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13. Same reason there were no terrorist attacks from 1993 until 2001?
Because of the superb leadership of Bill Clinton and George W Bush ??
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 06:02 PM
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33. I think the point was missed. The GOP operatives keep saying
that the US has not had a terrorist since 9-11-01, it was 8 yrs. between 93 and 01, but it goes over the heads here! Let's see, 2001 - 1993 = 8 yrs. + 2001 = 2009. This is a stupid equation, I know, because what's a yr or 10 to those that want to wreck devastation, but for the simple minded (GOP bots, math wasn't relevant).

I remember walking past the WTC in 95 everyday, with repairs still being done, and wondering about the future. It is so difficult to deal with irrational and illogical people(Bushbots) that it boggles the mind.
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:55 PM
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The terrorists are not fighting us over here because they can fight
us over there. We deliver.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:55 PM
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14. Well, there was that unfortunate anthrax business....
...
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 02:25 PM
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18. Have you forgotten the anthrax attacks? n/t
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:16 PM
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23. Because LIHOP is not expedient at this time.
They got what they wanted, an excuse to tear down the Constitution and take us to war to launch the neocon doctrine. Their goals have been met.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:30 PM
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24. TRUE! There have been no attacks since the last one!
Rest assured citizens!
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:51 PM
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25. there have been terror attacks -- that claim truly offends me
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 04:52 PM by pitohui
and the big lie that there have been no attacks is quite offensive to the victims of such attacks as the anthrax murders, american airlines 587, etc


think abt the two dudes who created havoc in dee cee and all over the northeast by shooting people just buying gas or going to home depot who turned out to have international plans inc. a plan to get $ 10 million to assassinate the prime minister of antigua so it was CLEARLY motivated by their nutty religious/political beliefs...crap, how many attacks do you want?

the fbi agent shot dead for shopping at home depot is still dead

the photo editor just going to work and minding his own business is still dead

now if you mean to say that it no longer counts as terror in your book unless a set number of people are killed, i think you need to look up the word terror again

anthrax killer made us all over the country afraid to check our mail, that's DAMN effective terror -- it cost the postal service BILLIONS of dollars to retool -- again that's DAMN effective


i don't trivialize the effectiveness of such an attack merely because it didn't kill enough people to suit some tastes, this is not teevee, this is reality and not no reality tee vee show either
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:54 PM
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26. They're only terror attacks if Islamists are blamed for them...
:sarcasm:
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:58 PM
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28. the dee cee shooters were muslims
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 04:59 PM by pitohui
and the amt of terror they created in their spree was beyond belief, however they were also black, and i was fascinated by how once they were caught and all could see their race, suddenly instead of being the wily planners and plotters described in the profile, it was decided that they must be stoopit

but i had a relative i hadn't seen in 20 years contact me to say she was terrified to have her daughter go out and buy gas to put in her car

my friend, that is truly terror, the dee cee/virginia area was almost completely dysfunctional as a result of less than 15 people being killed if i remember aright

our society is shockingly vulnerable to terror, sad to say -- and * has done nothing to keep us safe

i honestly believe the real motive of media saying we've had no terror attacks since 911 is to pretend * and DHS are doing a good job when they're doing a perfectly shitty job
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:07 PM
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34. Most Muslims are NOT Islamists...
The terms "Islamist" and "Islamism" are used often in several publications within some Muslim countries to describe domestic and trans-national organizations seeking to implement Islamic law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

No, the MSM is working very hard to stay on message on this point.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:56 PM
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27. There haven't been terrorist attacks since 9/11? Are you high?
Worldwide, terrorist attacks have risen sharply since 9/11. Have you already forgotten about Madrid? London? Iraq? Indonesia?
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:59 PM
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29. Iraq's closer and they don't need visas...n/t
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:13 PM
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31. Osama wanted to destroy our influence world wide by bleeding us
dry in Vietnam type of war. Read "Imperial Hubris." He spells it all out.


As long as bush does what Osama wants, there will be no need for an attack.


The Cole was designed to goad us into war on their turf. When Clinton didn't take the bait, they did something more spectacular.

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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:52 PM
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37. Simple. We brought their victims to THEM.
Over 100,000 potential American victims (i.e., US military personnel) were delivered right to their doorstep. They don't have to attack us here when they can attack us there.

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