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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:39 PM
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Richard Perle is pissed at Condi
Via Booman Tribune

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/6/24/114459/233

Richard Perle is in high dudgeon over the antics of Condoleeza Rice (via the Op-ed page of Sunday's Washington Post). How dare she get President Bush to back off his plans to attack Iran! How dare she actually suggest giving diplomacy a chance. The nerve of some people!

Here is the op ed:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/23/AR2006062301375.html

Why Did Bush Blink on Iran? (Ask Condi)

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran knows what he wants: nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them; suppression of freedom at home and the spread of terrorism abroad; and the "shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the liberal democratic systems."

President Bush, too, knows what he wants: an irreversible end to Iran's nuclear weapons program, the "expansion of freedom in all the world" and victory in the war on terrorism.

For more than five years, the administration has dithered. Bush gave soaring speeches, the Iranians issued extravagant threats and, in 2003, the State Department handed the keys to the impasse to the British, French and Germans (the "E.U.-3"), who offered diplomatic valet parking to an administration befuddled by contradiction and indecision. And now, on May 31, the administration offered to join talks with Iran on its nuclear program.

How is it that Bush, who vowed that on his watch "the worst weapons will not fall into the worst hands," has chosen to beat such an ignominious retreat?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:48 PM
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1. Condi works for Big Oil.
Big Oil profits from the cycle of talks, war talks, and just plain war.

End of analysis, Richard.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:49 PM
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2. Doesn't Perle remind you of Igor?
Only when they were putting Bush together, he left out the brain :evilgrin:
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:01 PM
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3. That is too funny....I'm referring to the part about Bush wants
"the expansion of freedom in all the world". What a joke. He doesn't give a rat's ass about freedom....he keeps taking ours away based on "terra". It's all about the fucking oil. Now that he's seen how oil production goes down when we invade a country, he might have to rethink his strategy for global oil supply domination.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:50 PM
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10. That would be it
Not much use in controlling the oil supply if you can't make any money from it.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:12 PM
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4. Perle represents the "total break with reality wing" of the party; Condi
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 08:12 PM by autorank
is in the "major break with reality" faction. The "total breaks" are working on self-destruction as a tactic to raise awareness and motivate people to work harder. It's a neocon thing, you wouldn't understand. The "major break" faction drifts in and out of reality but usually favors survival of the species. This is an odd spectrum of views the * administration has but, hey, at least there's that partial presence in the real world every now and then. Go figure.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:41 PM
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5. Ms Rice is not stupid.
She knows that a War with Iran would be a disaster for America. She may be a Bush Regime loyalist but perhaps she might care about America. It is possible that hse does, right?
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:43 PM
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6. No
I honestly don't think so. Her past deeds do not point in that directin at all.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:10 PM
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12. Realistically, after her career of blowing Shrub and being tied
to the WORST PRESIDENT EVER, she may be thinking of her other career options in 2009. One can only hope.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 10:05 PM
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14. As much as I dislike Condi's policies, I HATE the instant gutter mind
that races to conclusions of disgusting sexual innuendo. Why do women always have to put up with this SHIT regardless of party?

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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 11:03 PM
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18. You took my comments literally, when they were meant to be
taken figuratively. I would have made the same comment if we had been talking about Tony Snow - especially since Snow rhymes with blow. Who's mind is in the gutter?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 10:32 PM
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16. Well...
...she's not a total nut job. War with Iran would consign any supporter of that war to infamy, forever. Since she's young, experience that in person rather than by reputation would be just awful and that's where her reality testing comes in. She'll do a lot of negative things but not, I suspect, negative enough to ruin herself and even, she must know, the country. She cares only for #1 but if that works for the country on Iran, great.

The larger issue is global warming. We're screwed and when that becomes apparent, all bets are off. I think we're going to have a very angry population.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:44 PM
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7. I can't wait to see Condi in the UN, waving a small vial of nothing
around and lying to everyone in the room about American intentions in the ME. She can have her "Colon Blow" moment.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:46 PM
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8. Perle is one scary MoFo. Detest that man.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:48 PM
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9. How dare she get in the way of my profiteering!
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:55 PM
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11. I wouldn't put it past
Ahmadinejad to have booby-trapped the oil lines to blow up the entire infrastructure if * so much as looks at his black box. And I wouldn't put it past some of those nabobs in the current administration to have figured that out, hence the back-off--not to speak of the fact that there won't be any coalition of the willing if there is a big to-do in Iran started by neocons.
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:56 PM
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13. The entire stupid bunch of this past and present * administration
has got this country in a miserable position. Now the Iraqi extremists will have power....the Iraqi people will be completely subjucated.......the 'new' Iraqi government we've propped up will tell us to "get out of town".....and they'll grant amnesty to all those hideous killers.
All those dead and maimed on both sides.......for nothing....for worse than nothing.

All members of this administration should be prosecuted at a World Court.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 10:09 PM
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15. Remember this "Perle" of wisdom?
"If we let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now." Richard Perle


Said like a true chicken hawk.

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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 10:34 PM
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17. Here's my 'great song' for George Bush
Little George Bush
Sat on his tush
Eating some Condi pie
He stuck in his tongue
And pulled out some dung
And said, 'what a good boy am I'
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 11:31 PM
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19. So much for that peanut butter sandwich I was eating.
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