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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:10 PM
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Bush Ignores Science, Claims ‘There Is A Debate’ Over Global Warming
Bush Ignores Science, Claims ‘There Is A Debate’ Over The Cause of Global Warming

This morning, President Bush was asked whether he believed global warming was a “real and significant threat to the planet.” Bush claimed there is still a real debate over the cause of global warming. Watch it.

VIDEO:
http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/globwarm.320.240.mov

Despite Bush’s repeated efforts to muddy the picture, there is no real scientific debate over whether global warming is manmade or naturally-caused. Most recently, the National Academy of Sciences has unequivocally stated that natural causes cannot explain the unprecedented warmth over the last 400 years. Rather, “human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming,” the report states. The failure to acknowledge this scientific fact prevents Bush from taking the necessary actions to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, which he once pledged to do.

Full transcript below:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/26/bush-debate-climate/
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:13 PM
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1. George Will doesn't believe there's a global warming problem.
That should be an indication that there's still a group of stupid white men over the age of 50 that are going to be a problem. One of them is my in-law.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:20 PM
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8. George Will never admitted to being an accessory to theft, either
Will looked at the Carter briefing materials and then helped coach Reagan for a crucial debate with Carter. Promptly after the debate, Will went on "Nightline" to praise Reagan for a "thoroughbred performance." Viewers had no way to know of Will's involvement in prepping Reagan for the debate.

For years, Will was able to cover up the deception. But in mid-1983, the "Debategate" story finally broke, and he took some flak.

At first, Newsweek merely mentioned in passing that Will had been shown the stolen briefing book "and thought nothing of it." A week later, devoting several sentences to the intrigue of its star columnist, the magazine reported that he "saw the Carter materials" and later helped to prepare Reagan "for his confrontation with Carter. Then, in his role as television commentator, Will gave Reagan a favorable review for his performance -- without explaining that he had personally taken part in the event."
http://www.fair.org/media-beat/010308.html

Fuck George Will. He is a pissy little sycophant, a cowardly shitheel, and not worth anyone's time or thought. Fuck him.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:27 PM
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12. But he has a terrific vocabulary!
I'm sorry, it's just that my Mom & that old "If you can't say something nice thing about somebody" rule, other than that I am in complete agreement with MADem!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:41 PM
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18. Yeah, he likes baseball too....
May he get beaned in the head by a hard line drive from Big Poppi the next time he shows up at a BOSOX game!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 03:31 PM
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26. Penalties. We need to file penalties against pundits who do this like
we do to financial consultants who recommend stocks in which they have personally invested.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:15 PM
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2. He's right, there IS a debate
Will we all die SOONER than the models predict, or will the models be accurate in their projections??

Fucking idiot.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:16 PM
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3. As I understand it there are hundreds of studies that demonstrate
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 02:18 PM by mediaman007
global warming of one kind or another. There is NOT one study which disputes global warming.

The anti-warming scientists just criticize the various studies, but do no research of their own.



Edit to check spelling (no mistakes!)

:-)
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:24 PM
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10. I don't know of any evidence against it, but would like to see what all
these people who dispute climate change are looking at. The arctic ice core samples go back 650,000 years, so I think that's a pretty good sampling of time--of course according to a lot of the people who don't believe in climate change, the earth is only 3000 years old...

Seriously, though, can anyone give me ANY reason to doubt that global warming is happening due to human activities? I know there's one hurricane meteorologist who disputes it, but I've never heard any other real scientists speak against it.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:17 PM
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4. The problem is similar to the story of Balder's death
When Balder (whose name i may be mispelling) was killed in Norse Mythology, his mother went to Hel and asked for him back. Hel said that if all the creatures and beings on the earth cried for Balder's death, she could have him back. But then Loki went to Earth, disguised himself and refused to cry, so Hel kept Balder.

Most people (including me) don't understand the science of Global Warming or have a full understanding of it. As long as there is one or two scientists who claim that global warming is a myth or is non-scientific, you are going to have people who feel like they have cover not to believe in it.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 03:14 PM
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24. and MobilExxon is more than happy to provide the $$$ to anyone
with a scientific title who will stand up and dispute the idea.

If I believed in hell, I'd picture a particularly hot little corner for F. Lee "the Hut" Raymond.

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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:18 PM
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5. Oh,what the hell does THAT little moron know about anything?
Khrist,if he had a working brain it would be different,but we all know he is as stupid as they get.I can't stomach the way he always has to throw his 2 cents in.......and doesn't know diddly squat about anything.I wish he would keep his mouth SHUT! Stupid bastard.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:19 PM
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6. Of course he does.
These idjits can't wrap their head around Evolution.

Of course they're not going to believe Global Warming.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:19 PM
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7. He represents Big Oil. Of course he's going to say that...
Just because it's a lie isn't going to stop him. Never has. Never will.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:22 PM
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9. I hate to defend Bush
But he admits that there is global warming. What he says there is a debate about is what is causing it.

Lets attack him for the correct reasons here. If we say Bush is stupid because he doesn't think Global Warming is real, then we end up looking stupid because he has. I've had that happen to me in an argument not to long ago.

Just sayin...THere are plenty of reasons to be critical of Commander Cuckoobananas, lets stay on target.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:27 PM
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13. The debate about is what is causing it has been settled...
in the scientific community.

See: "An Inconvenient Truth"
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:31 PM
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16. I know
I'm saying we need to choose our words more appropriately. People in response to this are calling him dumb, essentially, for not believing in global warming. It should be because he doesn't believe that we're responsible.

That way they dont' have to change anything they're doing that is destroying our planet with that attitude. We're letting them once again spin the concept so that they don't have to change their ways...

First it was that there was no global warming, but now since they can't get away with that anymore, they're spinning it as no human connection. That's what we need to attack.

Global Warming is being caused by humanity. That's what we need to attack him on.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 03:06 PM
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22. it's an interesting change of strategy, though
The administration is apparently on board now with the idea that the globe is warming. But they're continuing to act like it might be due to natural forces. This wikipedia list is interesting. The claim is that *no* scientists are disputing the temperature increase, but a short list of minor characters continues to dispute the cause.

I figure, whatever the human contribution, that way too much is at stake for anyone to take the wait-and-see approach that Bush and his corporate handlers advocate.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 03:13 PM
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23. They're going to spend $2 Billion on new studies...
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 03:15 PM by Junkdrawer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1502422&mesg_id=1502422

Maybe if they give the oil company "scientists" the legitimacy of a big government study, they can stop all the calls for action. :shrug:
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 03:19 PM
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25. this is a problem in less controversial areas as well
Increasingly, conservatives are getting edgy about the freedom the recipients of government grants have had to conduct research independently.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:25 PM
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11. In a related story, there is still debate on the "round earth" theory
the "heliocentric solar system" theory and the "gravity" theory. Some people say gravity is an elaborate hoax, and that everything is just nailed down. Likewise, the round earth is questioned because you can't really see what's over the horizon - the 'round' earth may be an optical illusion.

And we all know from the Bible (which was faxed down from God a few millenia ago), the earth is the center of all things.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:29 PM
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14. the only scientists still debating global warming are those . . .
on the payrolls of heavy industry . . . I wouldn't be surprised if some of their credentials are from "degree mills" . . .
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:29 PM
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15. Of course there is still a debate. There are still 2 scientists
left in the world who say Global Warming is not real :eyes:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:39 PM
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17. Just like the API spent millions on
That is really all they want, to raise doubts. You don't hear them (RW talking heads) say that it doesn't exist they just say "Well, you know there ARE some questions about this..." and usually they say that there is no concrete irrefutable evidence (please do not apply that standard to their friends in the churching business).

GREAT article here

Yet some forces of denial—most notably ExxonMobil and the American Petroleum Institute, of which ExxonMobil is a leading member—remained recalcitrant. In 1998, the New York Times exposed an API memo outlining a strategy to invest millions to “maximize the impact of scientific views consistent with ours with Congress, the media and other key audiences.” The document stated: “Victory will be achieved when…recognition of uncertainty becomes part of the ‘conventional wisdom.’” It’s hard to resist a comparison with a famous Brown and Williamson tobacco company memo from the late 1960s, which observed: “Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the ‘body of fact’ that exists in the mind of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy.”

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/05/some_like_it_hot.html
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:47 PM
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19. I think there is better ground for the enviro movement.
Its easier to prove that people are getting cancer, birth defects and other health problems from pollution. That's a more personal and provable argument to make that people don't often hear.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:48 PM
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20. If Bush were a horse,
you could lead him to water and the dumbass would still die of thirst.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 03:01 PM
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21. so what about his OWN pentagon saying global warming a major security
threat???????????
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