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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:28 AM
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Condi: Worst Secretary of State Ever?
I don't know enough about all the SoSs who came before her, but I know enough to state that she's doing an awful job. If the State Department was anemic under Powell, it's practically comotose under Condi.

Her efforts re Iran and N. Korea have have been spectacularly unsuccessful, and the administration policy toward Israel and Palestine is at least in part responsible for the disasterous state of affairs there.

This administration's scorn for all things diplomatic, and slavish devotion to militarism is reflected in Rice's stewardship of the State Department. She deserves far more criticism than she gets.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:31 AM
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1. I think she just beats out Alexander Haig as worst.
And that's quite an achievement on her part.

She's the worst SoS in my lifetime.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:51 AM
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16. Thats saying a mouth full but it is the truth
In all my 58 years with the last 45 paying attention, the worst. She has no clue as to what diplomacy is.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:34 AM
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2. how about her sense of urgency re: Gaza (photo ops with Karzai and
tea and tantrums with the Russian ambassador).

Very very professional.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:45 AM
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3. all that countristeezzaah lice knows about diplomacy is to make threats.
That hardly passes as diplomacy. Aren't SoSs supposed to be highly sophisticated diplomats who are able to resolve conflicts through dialogues and peaceful means? Aren't they also supposed to be able to enhance communication and reparté between two countries. the woman ain't no diplomat. the woman suffocates communication between two countries--and the rest of america as far as i am concerned--the woman doesn't like to serve tea and crumpets or whatever else needs to be serve to increase reparté between two countries. the woman is just as unfriendly as unfriendly gets. she fits right in with the butchers--i mean, bushes.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:54 AM
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5. Each and every person in this administration is in way over their heads
I think everyone from Chucklenuts on down thought the hard work would be getting elected than they could coast for 4/8 years before hitting the golf courses and lecture circuits. I don't think any of them had any idea they would actually have to work. Just let bombs and the free market do their work and everything will be fine. They had KKKarl and the PNAC to light the way to fast, easy world domination then they could laugh all the way to the bank and the college campuses. Clueless boobs. Eight years is a lifetime when in the hands of total f&ckups.

I didn't think anyone would make Haig look good but Chucklenuts found her. Rice is particularly egregious. W.O.R.S.T. E.V.E.R.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:32 AM
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14. And the beaver knows how to whistle.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:52 AM
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17.  and the goose walked on
what a shameful bunch
:hi:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:53 AM
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18. Shameful bunch indeed!
:hi: Madokie!
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checkmate1947 Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:50 AM
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4. What did you expect ??/
From a Bush picked female version of "Uncle Tom"
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:58 AM
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6. I hate that Uncle Tom meme
I think it is ugly racism. Condaleeza Rice's ethnicity has nothing to do with her political views or capabilities.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:01 AM
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7. that's pretty much what insiders in James Risen's book have to say
about her....let's see...I have it right here:

page 64 quotes an NSC staffer that says she was a very very weak NSC chief (I know, not sec state), and goes on to say that Rumsfeld and Cheney ignored her, "rolled over her", and she never did her job as central coordinating officer for national security affairs. Rumsfeld, in particular, just IGNORED her.

the most important part of this book deals with the way in which Rumsfeld succeeded in turning over the national intelligence apparatus into his own, personal fiefdom. really disgusting stuff, even worse than is commonly appreciated

it's being replayed today, as Negroponte discovers how little power he has
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:03 AM
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8. No, I remember Kissinger too clearly
anyone who does knows Contradicta has a long way to go in the pure evil department.

She's merely incompetent.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:10 AM
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10. Now that is a good point
but her incompetence may well wreak as much havoc as Kissinger's more obvious evil.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:08 AM
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9. Nahhh... Kissinger? Haig?
And that's just in modern times.

Between the two of them, we've had General Buck Turgidson and Dr. Strangelove himself as Secretaries of State.

Condi's incompetent, granted, but unlike Kissinger, she's not a recognized war criminal throughout most of the world (yeah, yeah. I know. Plenty of people will say, "Yes she is!" But, I ask you, can she still travel to any country she wants? Yes. Can Kissinger? No.). And unlike Haig, she's not a would-be emperor.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:24 AM
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11. Of course, unlike Powell, she didn't address the whole world with Guerinca
covered over, using fabricated evidence to appeal for war.

She merely endorsed this pretext.

It depends on how you define worst. Kissinger has Cambodia, and that puts him in the running in most definitions of worst if genocide is the most important factor in measuring worst. Powell of course rivals foreign ministers of the Ribbentropp type in spouting obvious lies in a self-serious way.

Condi is incompetant and clearly out of her depth, but I'm not sure that she is as bad as Kissinger and Powell.

One thing for sure is that no Republican administration in history has ever produced a George Marshall.

One needs to go back almost to Seward or at least to Hay to approximate a decent Repuke Secretary of State. Of course the in nineteenth century the Repuke party was a very different animal than the modern Repuke party.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:28 AM
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12. just curious...how's that accelerator in your basement doing?
excellent post, btw.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:29 AM
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13. I think Colin Powell has her beat
He's the one that led us into this Iraq war with his picture of anthrax trucks on the move. We can find trucks in the desert with WMD's but we can't fine OBL? WTF?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:46 AM
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15. she is grossly incompetent
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 09:47 AM by leftofthedial
the RW desire to exploit the good little black girl has meant that she's been elevated far above her level of ability

they do not care about governance. she is in place to facilitate their ongoing thefts of public assets by providing international cover. she also is in place to ensure that the oil industry's priorities are met internationally.
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