Kerry: "...I'd take Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to the Grand Canyon and push"

that had anything to do with the Pres. of Iran?

and why the hell would Kerry say this when everyone else's comments were all sweetness and light?

to be remembered for something OTHER than that stupid comment he made that plagued him throughout the campaign.

I suppose it also reflects that he's an anti-terrorism guy, and the Iranian prez annoys him. But mostly I think the reason he said "the Grand Canyon" was because of the role it played in the election.

It was a joke grenade. You kinda have to think about it a moment before it comes to you. Or wait for someone else to get it and explain it to you (ie I didn't get it either without help)

I was unaware that that comment was made at the Grand Canyon.

Thanks!

I can't remember, thanks!

knowing everything that we now know about Saddam's WMD, he would not have changed his vote to authorize war.

was him hearing about half of the question, and him giving his standard answer as to why he voted the way he did. When they realized what had happened, they were afraid to go back and change his answer for fear of agravating the "flip flop" meme.

Or something like that. Others probably could explain it better. He said he didn't hear the "knowing what we know now" part because the wind was blowing and his hearing isn't the best since the war.

Get rid of the pain in the ass, Iranian President and have people remember Kerry's visit to the Grand Canyon for something other than the infamous misunderstood and misquoted statement he made there.

That awful day in the Grand Canyon, when he didn't hear the question right, and was lampooned by everyone (Jon Stewart: "You WANT to lose!!").

True -- the Iranian president hadn't even been elected in 2004, but JK is very humorously acknowledging how pissed he is at himself for that mistake. This shows he takes responsibility for it, but in a funny and clever way.

Awesome -- thanks for posting!!

Let's see:
Mahmoud is a religious fundamentalist, * is a religious fundamentalist.
Mahmoud thinks he is all that and a bag of chips, but someone else is really in charge. So does *.
Mahmoud is a nationalist, so is *.
Mahmoud has a funny little hairdo, * has a funny little hairdo.
Mahmoud cannot speak English well, * cannot speak English.

I think they are the same person, what do you all think?

;)

Just kidding. It's burning up close to there but I don't know if they closed it.

As in push him over the edge?

Wow, that's pretty inflamatory!

of saying it. He's only talking about if he would say it. The Senator is no newbie to dealing with being quoted by media, is he. ;)

SMARTASS! :rofl:

:puke:

phony.

Can't wait for that spin on Drudge and Faux News

he'd be a terrorist.

This was a dark joke. Haven't you ever joked that the government could save themselves a lot of effort by having the troublemaker taken out? Gosh, it was a joke.

Anybody want to help me out here? We're in delicate negotiations with the leader of a sovereign nation over nuclear weapons and Kerry says he'd personally like to kill the guy? Am I wrong, or does this not seem particularly statesmanlike, somehow.

Is this sort of Bush-style, juvenile chest thumping the standard now or what?

joke that was clever and smart if only because it was original.

You put this crazy man from Iran in the same category as Saddam? This guy is a lot more dangerous.

This comment knocks him down a few pegs in my estimation. If he were president and said that we'd have a diplomatic crisis brewing. Very disappointing....

you seem to think it would. Do you really think the Iranian leader thinks we mean him no harm. Do you think he means us no harm?
Statesman like, this wasn't a formal statement, it was an off the cuff remark.Actually, the guy is a nut case. He will continue to be a thorn in our side because we are distracted because of Iraq. Do you really think Iran wants to talk with us and will be willing to stop producing the materials for nuclear weapons?:eyes:

The comment is funny. I laughed when I read it, but I do see your point. It was clearly a joke but reading through this thread some good points are made. Senator Kerry is not an idiot, he was just having fun and let's just hope this doesn't get blown out of proportion and out of context.

Isn't that a stretch?

Because it sure sounds to me like he's making a lame joke in which he imagines himself pushing the president of Iran off a cliff. That's the kind of idiocy I expect from Limbaugh and Coulter, frankly. But you're suggesting there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for this apparent gaffe, I take it. Like, Kerry didn't hear the whole question, or he was against pushing the president of Iran off a cliff before he was for it. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Humor!

Get it? And Ann Coulter and the others don't parse words, they SAY IT with no ambiguity whatsoever. It's no gaffe, and it's not even close to *'s juvenile "wanted dead or alive" "bring it on" stupidity. I thought it was pretty damned funny -- it actually isn't even about the Iranian president; it's about the mistake he made in the Grand Canyon. Well, let's see if Iran reacts -- somehow I doubt it.

occurred yet, but we'll keep you posted.

It would only be a scandal if it was about the Iranian president, but since it was REALLY about the '04 campaign, even that dipshit in Tehran will realize he's not the butt of the joke.

Sounds like Grand Canyon 2, Kerry 0 to me.

You would find fault with him sneezing. To bad, you have to attack another Dem instead of the really danger to our democracy- a Republican. Really is too bad.

Okay, you win. I detest John Kerry, and would find fault with him even if he were perfect--which he is! Never mind the hundreds of dollars my wife and I gave to his campaign in '04 (even though we voted for Dean in our primary); forget the hours (and hours) I spent walking the precincts in my town, going door-to-door in his support. Forget that shit--I'm not entitled to my opinion because John Kerry is a motherfucking GOD, and I'm a mere mortal who is NOT among the chosen true believers who prefer to stand downwind of Senator Kerry at all times because they worship the very smell of his farts, which are exquisite in their complexity and richness. That about sum up your feelings, chief?

blowing things out of proportion. It was a joke and the context was clear, it really didn't warrrant all the doom and gloom predictions about world peace and murder. Geez! The one freeper site that I came across can't even get a conversation going beyond a few silly references to the original Grand Canyon statement!

A real zingeroo.

the Iranian leader thinks we like him and want to see him stick around? You really think Kerry would find himself in a situation to do this? Do you really think the Iranian leader gives a crap what Kerry thinks of him? This man will not negotiate. He will not give up his pursuit of nuclear weapons as long as he thinks he is jerking us around. You see, he doesn't like us and he is enjoying playing us for fools. You mean to tell me you actually think what Senator Kerry said would have an effect on the negotiations? As highly as I think of him, I don't think he's attained that stature quite yet.

Senator, right? That makes him a high government official in just about anybody's book. You want to pretend this not a remarkably stupid joke for him to make? Go right ahead--but don't expect all of DU to follow you down that rhetorical rabbit-hole. If this critter had plopped out of the mouth of a Republican Senator/candidate, we'd all be having a frothing fit about it. And according to the internets, Iran IS, in fact, actively engaged in negotiations with the EU over their nuclear program. Were you not aware of that?

I am not stupid, I would suggest you watch and listen to what is going on and what is being said in Iran by the leader.

Believe what you will, this doesn't affect my opinion of the Senator one bit. Actually, I think it demonstrates how concerned he is about Iran right now.

reasons for doing so seem goofy as hell to me. For me, this is yet another confirmation of my '04 diagnosis of Kerry, which is that he's got some pretty serious untreated foot-in-mouth disease, and probably ought to stick to expressing one thought at a time when speaking extemporaneously.

Because all the jokes that were made about Cheney, who actually shot someone, lit up the blogs and media for weeks. Why? People took them as jokes!

Wow. I missed that.

stated on a number of occasions that Saddam Hussein should be removed from power and together with his buddies lied to start a war to ensure that it came to past?

Comparing Cheney's comments to this statement is a pathetic attempt to blow this out of proportion.

Eesh. It's time political leaders stop trying to behave like 5th grade boys looking cool. Honestly, grow up already.

It is intellectually dishonest to pretend that a joke is a serious statement. Sheeesh!

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LOL!

Is he trying to outdo Bush?

Ha ha ha...I'm rolling on the floor laughing.

You thought Bush was making a joke!

it was Bush. Certainly sounds like something Bush would say. Is this part of Kerry's plan to act more "presidential?"

that you do this in every Kerry post, I'd be wondering if you had an ulterior motive.

The best thing you can do to support Kerry in this thread is to stop posting in it an let the thread die. The less publicity of this, the better for Kerry. Unfortunately, I see 6 people (anti-Kerry types?) have nominated the thread so bad news for you it's on the "greatest page."

I did not nominate the thread, by the way.

considering you started the anti Kerry thread using Republican talking points.

Joke envy!

The repeated disgusting displays rather dishonor General Clark, IMO. From what I know of General Clark, he wouldn't be very proud of supposed supporters who bash other Democrats. Not a bit.

And isn't it interesting to note that Kerry supporters have more honor than to jump into threads about other politicians specifically to start bashing them. Can you imagine any of us jumping into a Clark thread and bashing the general? Wouldn't happen. Not in a million years. We just don't operate like that. Chalk one up for the Kerrycrats: we know something about unity for real.

thread!

joke envy!

and Kerry said he would be in trouble if he had said that. it was clearly in a joking way also.

Why bother commenting, it's obvious what you are doing. Go attack the real threat to our democracy and security- a Republican.

peace. Good job, Kerry >_>

See! It could, but with or without that added context, I doubt the statement will have any impact, none, on world peace.

Yeah, sure it was.:eyes:

And this is exactly the problem I have with Kerry running again. He is more bothered about what an action "might" do to his popularity and polls than in taking a steadfast position. When Republicans threw crap at him he said the equivalent of, "Well, I might get in trouble if I said those are all lies...so I won't."

their lies.

You sure do seem to pop up specifically to throw darts at Kerry. Interesting tactic.

Either there are some very humor-challenged, literal-minded people on this thread or those taking this remark of Kerry's as anything but a joke are purposely trying to stir up trouble.

Anyone objective (and with a sense of humor) can see that Kerry was poking fun mostly at HIMSELF here. It's a dry, rueful remark and take my word for it -- it's very funny!

If you don't get it, I wouldn't be too quick to admit it -- you might need some remedial Steve Martin for that... :-)

It doesn't matter what the content of the thread is, the usual suspects and clones thereof always come out to attack Senator Kerry. The reasons skip the sublime and go right to the ridiculous.

literal minded. Your post suggests the remark was subtle, subversive humour -- I appreciate subtle, subversive humour, but this was not it. This is the kind of remark DU would pummel Bush&Co for uttering, and rightly so. To apologize for anyone who treats complex international diplomacy as a glitzy and glib television reality show or a Hollywood action adventure cartoon is going to strike an ill chord. It's not about Kerry-bashing -- I dislike the man, but I would speak out against anyone who said this. The framework should be defending democratic principles, not specific persons.

Oh brother! More overreaction and spin. I guess this carries more weight than all the warnings and rebuffs of Ahmadinejad's comments. Those responses are real and directed. This comment have as less chance of impacting world affairs than a yawn!

it would serve to OUT the Right-Wingers among us?

Sure seems to have worked out that way.