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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:07 AM
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My Solution To Global Warming: Rebuild Noah's Ark (Ark Found?)
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/has-noahs-ark-been-found/20060629173309990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

June 29) - A team of Texas archaeologists believe they may have located the remains of Noah's Ark in Iran's Elburz mountain range.

"I can't imagine what it could be if it is not the Ark," said Arch Bonnema of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration (B.A.S.E) Institute, a Christian archeology organization dedicated to looking for biblical artifacts.

Bonnema and the other B.A.S.E. Institute members hiked for seven hours in the mountains northwest of Tehran, climbing 13,000 feet before making the apparent discovery.

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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:08 AM
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1. Wow, the fundies are going to go fucking crazy.
And it is Iran of all places.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:08 AM
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2. "I can't imagine what it could be if it is not the Ark"
Any of their findings and conclusions will immediately be suspect because of this statement.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:12 AM
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5. .
They had the conclusion in mind before the analysis.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:15 AM
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7. As well they should be suspect...
That statement alone shows an astounding lack of imagination or geographical knowledge.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:30 AM
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12. what it could be?
how about a rock outcropping? maybe?

what a bunch of boneheads. Sorry, folks, but wood cannot petrify in that little time (remember, this was only 3 thousand years ago, according to them)
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:31 AM
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15. Rocks, rocks, everywhere ROCKS!!!
Stories like this make me happy I'm rational. :)
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:18 AM
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23. Nonesense!!
We all know that that the universe was created 5,000-6,000 years ago, so there you go. Petrification *can* happen in that short of time. The evidence is all over the world. All those fossil bones, and the putrified forest in AZ prove it!!!!!
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:36 PM
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37. Actually the Earth was *PROVED* to have been
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 12:36 PM by genie_weenie
created October 26, 4004 BC, 9:00 am in 1654 using the genealogy in the BIBLE by Archbishop Usher.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:12 PM
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39. I'm more interested in the fossils


The age of the fossils it was found with will give us a more exact date.

I wonder if we will ever hear of this again?
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:20 AM
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24. Couldn't it just be a plain old boat?
If they find ancient droppings from a very large assortment of animals on this thing, it might be a bit more convincing.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:09 AM
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3. Saw it on CBS this morning.
Looked to me like they found some petrified wood. It didn't bare any resemblance to a ship of any kind.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:13 AM
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6. maybe "gopher wood" is rock..and god told Noah to make a
ship out of rocks...as a practical joke???


hahahaha
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:27 AM
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9. What the heck is our Christian Ark doing on a Muslim mountain?
:silly: :crazy:
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:31 AM
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14. snort....
:silly:

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:11 AM
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4. I looked at the pictures and i have no clue what it is but it looks
like a rock formation.

without more info...I can't say much more.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:15 AM
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8. the ark story is from the Sumerians..predated Abraham, it is not a
Christian story... it was a story about a man with no god contex at all... as is Geneses, and many other stories in the Bible.. unfortunately the Bible versions are only fragments of the stories..

the reason the Xians dont believe in Global Warming is that gOD said he would destroy the world next time.. by Fire. dont they get the 'Warming' part of global warming.. dumb asses


and where does this F'n gOD get off destroying worlds..!! again and again
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:46 AM
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18. There are Great Flood stories in every culture.
Native American, Sumerian, Babylonian, etc.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:49 AM
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19. Yeah I wonder why
It couldn't have anything to do with most early cultures residing alongside rivers in the flood plains could it? Could it?
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PinkUnicorn Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:23 PM
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32. Nah..
Stop thinking logically...you're not allowed to do that when it comes to the ark! :sarcasm:

The insteresting bit about flood stories, they are everywhere...except when flooding was predictable and the population had half a clue. The ancient Egyptians for example needed the annual flood of the Nile to survive, without it they would have starved - to them flooding was a good thing and curiously they didn't have any 'bad flood stories' either.

Then again those heathen Egyptians kept building pyramids and temples when the world was under a kilometer of water, so they dont count. :silly:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:11 AM
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22. the point is that gOD didnt cause the flood in the Sumerian, the Old
Testiment story is Genocide.. the sumerian story is just the story about a man not having anything to do with a gOD ...
the story in the bible is bull sh*t..
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:14 PM
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27. Why just the other day I started a new one when the john backed up...
Yeah, there's lots of stories.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:29 AM
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10. Most terrifying item on the AOL page:
is the "polling data": 69% think the ark story is FACT!

And we wonder why people elect Republicans???

Sinistrous
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:30 AM
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13. Yeah I was astounded at that result...
Of course it's AOL so you get a large fundy base there that still thinks AOL is the only way to access the internets.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:29 AM
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11. "Noah's" Ark pops up with regularity. Ho-hum.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:41 AM
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16. Is it like the dinsosaur in Shrub's book ?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:44 AM
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17. Complete rubbish
Everyone knows it finally grounded in NY. Hence the song which goes Start spreading the gnus..........
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:54 AM
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20. bad edwardlindy
no donut!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:00 AM
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21. BTW, water would have to cover the ENTIRE Earth up to 13,000ft. deep.....
Where the hell did it all go???


That's a boatload (no pun intended ;) ) of water to eliminate.

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:31 AM
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25. don't go inserting logic into this....
;-)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:41 AM
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26. Dangit. I'm always doing that.
:)

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:27 PM
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34. not to mention the engineering problems-
with building a boat bigger than an aircraft carrier out of wood.

just you and your sons, and no modern tools.

and then filling it with millions of species...even dinosaurs- if what some of them believe is correct.

and then getting it to float without destroying itself under it's own weight.

and then there's the food, water, and waste disposal for all those species. for 2-3 months.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:35 PM
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35. Well, that brings in *another* issue. The number: 40. It's *symbolism*.
The number 40 represented a long period of time or a time of trial. It wasn't meant to be taken as literally the value 40.

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:17 PM
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28. 69% of respondents to the AOL poll think the Ark story is fact.
:eyes:
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:20 PM
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30. Why won't they believe Al when he says it's going to flood again?
Huh?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:35 PM
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45. Because the earth is supposed to be destroyed by fire this time
or we're going to get wiped out by a comet or something from space. I keep forgetting how we're supposed to go this time.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:54 PM
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53. Wouldn't fire fit in with global warming tho?
:scared:

Speaking of Heinrich Schliemann and Troy... Did you ever watch the series
done by Michael Wood concerning the topic? Very interesting.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:34 PM
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61. Well there was that Futurama clip
with the Fire Men walking from the sun. I think that counts.

No, I haven't seen the Wood series. I grew up reading about Schliemann and quest for Troy.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:22 PM
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31. that is fucking scary.
it's also one of the first questions i ask of theists- if they believe the noah's ark story is true. it amazes me how many do, when it's so completely ludicrous, if you just actually think about it for all of two minutes.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:18 PM
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29. Gopher wood...duh!
And Noah asked unto the Lord, "of what should I build it, dear Lord?" And the Lord spake unto Noah, "Hmmm...I'd go for ("gopher) wood, maybe."
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:23 PM
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33. Just imagine if they find it and it turns out to be 30,000 years old.
How will they spin that, if the earth is only 6,425 years old?

:shrug:
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:35 PM
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36. It'll be however old they say it is...
This group conveniently doesn't believe in carbon dating either.
'Cuz that would mean there might just be something to this 'Global Warming' thingie.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:48 PM
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38. Isn't that the way the fundies work.
If the facts don't fit, change them!

:grr:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:29 PM
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42. That would be 30K in wood years, not man years
:crazy: :rofl:
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:28 PM
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40. If they truly found something historic
Archeologists and geologist should have been called in
for a proper excavation. These yokels just started grabbing
hunks of rock and possibly petrified wood and yanking them
out of the site. They are useless as evidence now.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:27 PM
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41. Heinrich Schliemann and Troy
Schliemann found Troy by using an old text and it didn't add any validity to the pantheon of Greek gods. Why should finding a boat validate the god of another old text just because the text said the boat would be there?
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:33 PM
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43. I can almost do a Monty Pythonesque riff about this...
So! You found a canoe lodged in a stack of rocks... What about that makes
you believe in a HIGHER POWER?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:37 PM
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47. don't forget to mention the old text
You found a canoe lodged in a stack of rocks because of an old book? :rofl:
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:39 PM
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49. Yeah!
Excellent, I think we've got it!

:rofl:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:33 PM
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44. I think the original ark was a space craft of DNA, from the last planet we
lived on and destroyed.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:35 PM
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46. Pssst...
You're too close to the Truth!

Eeek!

:7
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:38 PM
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48. *g* Hey, it coulda happened
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:40 PM
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50. It's as likely as anything else I've heard.
:thumbsup:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:55 PM
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54. Ha. More likely than two of EVERY animal loaded onto a big wooden boat
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:58 PM
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55. Don't look now...
But, there's a contradiction in the musty old book.

In one place it states "one pair", but, in another it says "seven pairs".
Big difference, maybe the translator wasn't very good at Ancient Sumerian or
math?

:shrug:

I like your idea better.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:59 PM
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57. My brother and I have discussed this for years. I imagine we ran across it
in one sci-fi novel or another :^) I know Star Trek covered the idea in a sense, though not with an ark or capsule per se.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:03 PM
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58. There's been some murmuring about it in scientific circles as well...
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 04:06 PM by Prag
especially since they've found meteor samples on earth that could
have originated on other planets in the Solar System.

I'll grant them a maybe on that...

Also, a camera returned to Earth by the Astronauts contained revivable
bacteria after several years on the moon. Just add water and heat.

Amazing. Plausible.

So... SHHHHH!

and if anybody asks we never talked about this... mmmkay? ;)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:06 PM
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59. Well, i say it's cool
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:41 PM
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51. It's not the flood this time: Odyssey of the 8th Fire

http://www.8thfire.net/

Odyssey of the Eighth Fire tells the story of a small band of people who journeyed on a sacred walk from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean over eight months under the Algonquin teachings of the Seven Fires, and the sign of the Whirling Rainbow (Sunbow).

Beyond the basic story of a band of pilgrims off on a mission to understand and to care for our earth, Odyssey of the 8th Fire is a compendium of teachings that we gathered as we walked from east to west. We met with dozens of learned elders as we traveled; they generously shared with us the wisdom traditions of Turtle Island (North America). Those teachings -- long ago left by the side of the trail -- are faithfully reported herein.

This story of spiritual adventure involves untold U.S. and world history, pressing environmental and social issues, a convoluted web of personal relationships, and a wealth of spiritual insight with direct relevance for our era.

As world culture continues on a larger, more challenging journey from an old time to a new time, our long walk may serve to illumine some of the steps.

snip...
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electricmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:52 PM
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52. Reminds me of my favorite scene in Firefly
Shepherd Book: What are we up to, sweetheart?
River Tam: Fixing your Bible.
Book: I, um… What?

River: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logistics… doesn't make sense.
Book: No, no. You - you can't...
River: So we'll integrate non-progressional evolution theory with God's creation of Eden. Eleven inherent metaphoric parallels already there. Eleven. Important number. Prime number. One goes into the house of eleven eleven times, but always comes out one. Noah's ark is a problem.
Book: Really?
River: We'll have to call it "early quantum state phenomenon". Only way to fit 5,000 species of mammals on the same boat.
. . .
Book: River, you don't… fix the Bible.
River: It's broken. It doesn't make sense.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:58 PM
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56. Christ, HOW many times has this kind of shit been recycled?
"Christian Archeology".

Yeah, OK.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:11 PM
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60. This Is An Awesome Find! Much More Intriguing Than Mt. Ararat.
This is absolutely fascinating and I look forward to hearing more about it. They said it's petrified wood and has sea life in it so who knows? Maybe it is the Ark. :shrug:

Hopefully more results come back soon. It would be interesting to know how old it is.
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