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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:25 PM
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Ban cell phone usage while driving
I was driving behind an automobile in which the driver was on a cellphone. Over the course of several miles the driver veered into adjacent lanes several times, never signaled an intended lane change and generally seemed to forget that actually driving driving her car was slightly more important than an engaging phone conversation. I decided to see if there were statistics regarding cell phone usage and their relationship to accidents.

I am convinced that in the interest of public safety, cell phone usage in automobiles should be banned.



"If you put a 20-year-old driver behind the wheel with a cell phone, their reaction times are the same as a 70-year-old driver who is not using a cell phone," said University of Utah psychology professor David Strayer. "It's like instantly aging a large number of drivers."
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Cell phone distraction causes 2,600 deaths and 330,000 injuries in the United States every year, according to the journal's publisher, the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society.
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Drivers talking on cell phones were 18 percent slower to react to brake lights, the new study found. In a minor bright note, they also kept a 12 percent greater following distance. But they also took 17 percent longer to regain the speed they lost when they braked. That frustrates everyone.

"Once drivers on cell phones hit the brakes, it takes them longer to get back into the normal flow of traffic," Strayer said. "The net result is they are impeding the overall flow of traffic."



http://www.livescience.com/technology/050201_cell_danger.html
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:26 PM
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1. ...and drinks...and passengers...and car stereos...
:eyes:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:26 PM
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2. Useless response
thanks for joining in
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:30 PM
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6. Bullshit...
They're also distractions.

They made similar complaints about CBs in the 70s.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:32 PM
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8. No, they're all distractions...
If you want to ban cellphone use while driving and you don't agree with the statement in my post, I think that calls for an explanation.

What is the difference between having a conversation on the phone and having a conversation with somebody sitting next to you (except that social convention encourages you to occasionally LOOK at a person who's sitting next to you)?
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:10 PM
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64. Spatial awareness is the difference.

Driving requires spatial awareness. If you're talking to the person next to you, they occupy the same space that the car is moving through and that you are concentrating on. However, if you are talking on a cell phone with someone, your brain tries to create a model of the other space that that person is speaking from. Thus, when driving and talking on the phone, your brain is trying to model two spaces at one time. This is a difficult task for the brain, thus your awareness of the space your car is moving through is lessened. Studies have shown that drivers with cell phones experience a tunnel vision effect, paying attention to a smaller part of their visual field than drivers without cell phones. See this article for more:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020611071201.htm
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Very ineresting
somewhat more credible than describing it as a distraction.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:47 PM
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37. Balls. Not the same thing.
Redstone
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:07 PM
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54. It's certainly not the first time, but I disagree.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:16 PM
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57. Hey, all I can tell you is that I've almost been run over a LOT more times
by people who were yacking on cell phones than by people who weren't.

Q.E.D.

Redstone
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:28 PM
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3. no, you should ban people who can't drive
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 05:29 PM by ixion
which is the root of the problem, IMO. I talk on the cell phone when I'm driving, and still manage to signal if I'm going to change lanes. :-)


However, I would be all for a law requiring headsets to be used.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:30 PM
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5. I too am able to acomplish this feat
so my choice is this: Sacrifice the convenience of using the phone or get rear-ended by a driver who rear-ends me because he is on a phone. Its like any other public safety law.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:33 PM
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10. Not YOUR choice...
I can see banning anything but hands-free devices, but what you're after won't work. Too many influential people will never let it happen.
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Buxtehude Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:33 PM
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11. But you've never followed yourself n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:37 PM
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19. true, but I'm considerate of others around me
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 05:38 PM by ixion
whether or not I happen to be talking. It's called multi-tasking. You should check it out some time. :evilgrin:

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Buxtehude Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:49 PM
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40. Not everyone is as good as you
There are those that will just have to sacrific so that those of lessor talents can survive. It's a cruel world.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:29 PM
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4. I'd just like to know why talking on a cellphone is any different
than talking to another occupant in the car.

Oh, wait, talking to a passenger actually requires you LOOK at them from time to time.

If you're going to ban one, ban the other.

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:33 PM
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9. Rather than brush off your comment
I'll say that if you can find documented statistics that show a significant probability that having an occupant in the car causes accidents, we can discuss that as well.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:35 PM
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14. Well, they've banned it for kids under 18 around here.
Must be some documentation for it, wouldn't you say?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:37 PM
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20. Precisely
And there is now ample documentation to support banning cell phones. Below there is post linking to an article that says the risk of an accident is actually higher than driving drunk.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:39 PM
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25. I call bullshit...
The study is obviously flawed, since there is no difference between using a hands-free device and driving one-handed. That defies all logic.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:38 PM
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22. My reasoning:
A conversation in a car typically involves pauses during attention-demanding bits of driving- left turns through busy intersections for example. When the conversation is with a passenger, the passenger recognizes the driver needs to concentrate, and pauses. When on a cell phone, the other person does not recognize when to shut up, and provides a distraction when it's least needed.

Not that I'm for this googy banning of cell phones business.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:40 PM
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28. Kids don't give a rat's ass...
And yet there's nothing suggesting that kids in the car increases the likelihood of accidents.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. Right.
But parents have a natural instinct to ignore kids. Especially when they're screaming "look at me! look at me!"
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:45 PM
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33. You are grossly misinformed
Other kids in cars are being restricted all over the country. The way a kid drives by himself or with one other person is diametrically opposed to a kid hauling a carful of friends. Please inform yourself before undertaking such a vigorous defense of a position.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:06 PM
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53. I'm talking about adults WITH kids...
I already remarked about the other.

Try paying attention.
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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #22
46. Really, really good point
Abouit the conversation differences in person vs. phone.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 10:14 PM
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67. My guess? Evolution. This would make a great study, though
Why don't people talking to passengers in the car get in as many accidents as people who talk on cell phones?

My hypothesis is evolution. We've evolved to talk to one another in person w/o actually losing concentration. Imagine a hunting party, stalking a moose or whatever through the woods, relying on verbal/audio communication althoguh the conscious focus is on something else.

I DO know that every study ever conducted on the subject shows that talking to a passenger in a car isn't particularly dangerous, while talking on a cell phone, even hands-free, is. I wonder what parts of the brain are used, and what the neurobiology looks like. And while we're on the subject, what role will evolution take for human beings in this brave new world of ours, and what will it look like?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 10:45 PM
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68. See 64, an excellent explanation
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:18 PM
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71. Ah, thank you , a rational scientific answer.
It's not posts like #64 that make me love DU, it's the posts that say "See #64." Spatial awareness, who'd a thunk it?

:toast:
:applause:
:yourock:
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Buxtehude Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:31 PM
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7. I'm with you!
I saw this article today. If I'm going to be forced, by law, to wear a seat belt, then we need a national debate about cell phone usage!


Thu Jun 29, 7:10 PM ET

THURSDAY, June 29 (HealthDay News) -- Maneuvering through traffic while talking on the phone increases the likelihood of an accident five-fold and is actually more dangerous than driving drunk, U.S. researchers report.

That finding held true whether the driver was holding a cell phone or using a hands-free device, the researchers noted.

"As a society, we have agreed on not tolerating the risk associated with drunk driving," said researcher Frank Drews, an assistant professor of psychology at the University of Utah. "This study shows us that somebody who is conversing on a cell phone is exposing him or herself and others to a similar risk -- cell phones actually are a higher risk," he said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060629/hl_hsn/drivingwhileoncellphoneworsethandrivingwhiledrunk
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:34 PM
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12. IMO, you shouldn't be forced to wear a seat belt either...
...one more stupid law to protect people from themselves...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:36 PM
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17. Yeah, I don't like the idea of the government
forcing me to do so under the subtle threat of violence.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:34 PM
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13. Timely article
I'll check it out. Thanks for the link.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. Despite the lack of any logic that
having either one or both hands with which to drive would have the SAME results in their testing?

Sounds like quackery to me.
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Buxtehude Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:46 PM
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34. But you like to talk on your cell phone
Your response is understandable. However I have driven professionally for many years and have seen the majority of cell phone users that have no idea where they are at on the road.
You are disconnected from wats going on around you more so than if you had a swarm of screaming children in the car.
I don't see why people have to talk on cell phones and drive, and I would hope people would see the danger.

Driving and talking on a cell phone similar to drunken driving, study finds

By Nancy McVicar
South Florida Sun-Sentinel Health Writer
Posted June 30 2006

Talking on a cell phone while driving is as dangerous as driving drunk, new federally funded research shows, and it doesn't matter whether you use a hands-free model or hold the phone up to your ear during the conversation.

The study, by University of Utah researchers, adds to a growing body of evidence that conversing by phone while behind the wheel can be hazardous.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-rxphones30jun30,0,7583047.story?coll=sfla-news-sfla
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:06 PM
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52. And I don't believe the study...
For the same reason I've already stated.

It says that talking hands-free and talking with a phone in your hand is statistically no different...

That's impossible.

Therefore the whole thing is suspect.

And talking on the cell phone is NOT more distracting than a cab full of screaming kids. I've dealt with both.
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Buxtehude Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:21 PM
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59. You may be one that can
Unfortunately you are in a very small minority, trust me, I would say that we have far too many distractions as it is while driving a several thousand pound piece of machinery. I see no reason why a person, who needs to talk on the phone, can't pull over to the side of the road (and I would support pull over lanes) to make their call.
It would be so much safer.


Cell Phone Accidents: Cell phone subscriptions now exceed the birthrate, with 40,000 people subscribing a day. Unfortunately, the use of a cell phone in a car can have fatal consequences. A 1997 in the New England Journal of Medicine established that the risk of a traffic accident while using a cellular phone is the same as that while driving drunk. Cell phone users are 400-500 percent more likely to get into traffic accidents than those that do no use them. Cell phone records can establish that the driver was using a cell phone at the time of an accident. It can also reveal witnesses, i.e . the other party to the cell phone conversation who may have heard the driver say something before or after the crash. Even if no criminal charges are filed against the driver, a victim may be able to bring an action for damages.


http://www.belluckfox.com/crime_victims.html
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:35 PM
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15. These things are dangerous.
If I call someone who is driving with a hand held cell phone, I tell them to call me back when they aren't driving.

I just don't know why people have to talk on them when they're driving - or using a urinal.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. When my son started driving several years ago
he was foridden from using the phone while driving. He got used to it. Three years later I'm sure he breaks that rule (he's over 18 so its his choice) but he told me that he always tries to pull over.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:36 PM
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16. After reading about that MN football player, also needing to be banned
are masturbating and watching porn while driving.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:16 PM
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58. go back to russia already!
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:36 PM
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18. How about lowering the speed limit?
Doesn't 330,000 seem like A LOT of injuries? 300 million in US, so 1 in 3000 gets injured every year due to cell phone usage?

But seriously, retool all cars to go a max speed of 35 and you cut down deaths, injuries and gas usage! Sorry Muscle Car Enthusantists!

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:38 PM
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23. I've almost been killed twice by people running red lights...
...with a cell phone held to their ear. Luckily, I'm pretty aware of my surroundings on most occasions. Even so, I don't think another ban is the solution. If you really want to reduce automobile accidents, we need to overhaul the licensing procedure, which no one wants to fund adequately as it is. Even vehicle inspections have been eliminated in most states because voters don't want the hassle. To solve the problem, we need to actually TRAIN people how to drive and test them more thoroughly before issuing a license. Then, instead of allowing people to renew their licenses through the mail until they die, we need to RE-TEST them periodically, especially seniors (sorry, it's true). However, as this solution is hard and costly, we will continue to see bandaid laws like cellphone bans promoted as the answer.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:42 PM
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30. Reasonable comments
especially about seniors (I agree). If you read the original article it says that reaction time for a person the phone is equivalent to that of the average 70 year old person. I have this vision of a highway full of 70 y.o. drivers. There was a South Park episode with that image. Pretty funny.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:59 PM
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47. I don't think that statistic accounts for hands-free phone use.
Only people who have to look at the person they're talking to have a problem conversing with people in the car, and that's essentially what a hands-free set up provides, without the person to look at. I don't doubt that it's true of most people who hold it to their head. Otherwise, I think we're on the same page.
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:39 PM
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24. Two years ago I was totaled by a driver
on the cell phone trying to time the lights. She center punched me in an intersection and swore it was my fault. It totaled my motorcycle and screwed the rest of me up for months. The irony of it was the asshole was my insurance agent. She pulled every trick in the book to make it look like I'd run the light, but it caught up with her and she lost her job. I hate cell phone users in cars. Most people don't see bikers anyway, if they are on the phone they are complete blind to what is going on around them.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:39 PM
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26. Mandatory headsets or speakers... that's what I support.
I can drive just fine with a headset on... I notice that it's something about people holding the phone that makes them more inattentive.. I am able to multi-task very well, so have never had an issue with even keeping speed correct while talking. My headset broke one day and I couldn't use the phone while driving because it was so awkward. Teen should not be allowed to drive while using a phone at all.. shit.. they can barely drive with NO distractions.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:42 PM
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29. Yep... this I could go for.
I don't trust this study of theirs at all.

In addition, I think a ban of all of it will simply increase the likelihood of people trying to do so while hiding it.

THAT will sure be less of a distraction, I'm sure.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #26
36. I agree with the mandatory hands free
as long as there is voice activated dialing as well.
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bmcatt Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:42 PM
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31. Drivers forget (or don't know) the priorities
Back when I was getting my pilot's license, my flight instructor stressed that a pilot has 3 priorities. In order, they are:

1) Aviate - "Fly the damn plane!"

2) Navigate - "Know where you are and where you're going."

3) Communicate - "Talk to anyone else, whether it's your passenger, air traffic control or yourself"

The same priorities hold when you're driving.

Back before all the hoopla about "driving while talking on a cell phone is dangerous", I remember talking on the phone while I was driving and realizing that traffic was starting to pick up a bit. I quickly said, "Give me a second. Have to concentrate on driving" and *put the phone on the seat*. After a couple of seconds, traffic smoothed out again and I was able to pick the phone up. I apologized for needing to interrupt what we were talking about, but there wasn't an issue.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:49 PM
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39. If everyone was trained that way
this wouldn't even be an issue. But what you see today is people driving wherein the actual navigation and control of the vehicle is at the bottom of the priority list. Ever seen a person applying makeup while on a cell phone? Its quite a sight to behold.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. That's funny, I thought that safety was the first priority in flying.
And except for landing, you do not need any where near the attention that you need while driving in traffic.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:09 PM
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55. "Fly the plane" is ALWAYS #1.
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bmcatt Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:55 AM
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62. Safety *is* the first priority
That's why "fly the damn plane" takes precedence over everything else. That doesn't mean needing to stare at the controls, etc. It means, rather, doing everything that you need to do to fly the plane - maintaining a scan of your instruments, looking out the window to scan for traffic, making sure that you've seen *both* wingtips recently to ensure that you've seen everything you can outside the plane, etc.

That's different from an approach and landing where your first priority is *STILL* "fly the damn plane", but you're doing so in a much higher stress environment. For example, if you're a few seconds late on acknowledging ATC instructions - no biggie; swap paint or turn yourself into a lawn dart - big issue.

As my instructor put it so succinctly, "Don't be one of the pilots who's found dead with a mic in their hands".
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:46 PM
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35. I was beside one today
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 05:47 PM by polmaven
on the way home from work who was driving a beat up, noisy old red van, driving in the passing lave of Rte. 93, chatting on the phone with his bare left foot hanging out of the window.

A little while later he brought his foot inside, and a few minutes after that out came a shod foot, just as he was pulling from the passing lane to his exit on the right, and he reached out and scratched his calf........I was very, very glad to be rid of that scary SOB!...:scared:
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:48 PM
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38. No. Educate people to be more responsible and conscientious.
I'm sorry but I'm a little tired of hearing the word BAN every two seconds. Even from well intentioned public safety advocates. (Wait... Make that ESPECIALLY from well intentioned public safety advocates.)

Cell phones are a relatively new technology. As a society we are still getting the hang of them. Etiquette and usage patterns will change on their own over time. This is an obvious pattern. We've seen it over and over throughout history and more than ever in the last century.

So we don't really need any more laws that force everyone change their personal behavior just for the sake of the hapless and irresponsible among us, Do we? We seem to have plenty of these at this point.

Sorry. Don't mean to be harsh but it seemed from your OP that you wanted a little debate so...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:52 PM
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43. Absolutely - the debate is what I sought
I see your point regarding evolving behavior and technology. The shocking statistic for me is the comparability to drunk driving. The difference is that drunk driving is a situation where the driver in internally impaired, whereas with cell pohones he is externally impaired.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:51 PM
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42. A ticket for any makeup application too?
How about eating?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:55 PM
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44. Prevalence and probability are the two issues
you are failing to consider. If applying makeup was leading to as many accidents and deaths as cell phone usage while driving, then your comment would acquire some relevance.
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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:56 PM
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45. I admit to driving "less than great" when on the phone, so I
really prefer not to drive and talk at the same time. No one will want to hear this and I see the same old arguments about doing other distracting things while driving already up. No sane person should read or put on make-up etc. while driving. Anything else should wait for straight shots of roadway, like open freeway. However, talking on the phone seems to require some extra input from the brain which takes away from your attention to driving. That is just the way it is shaping up.

*"Less than great" is code for "Like crap" when it comes to my driving and the phone.....
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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:00 PM
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48. A great way for cops to racially profile
I wonder what the FOP thinks of this.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:04 PM
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50. Racially profile who? Stupid white women?
Those are the usual suspects.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:01 PM
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49. Works for me!
:applause:
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:05 PM
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51. As I read through the replies to this post, I am forced to
point out that there have also been numerous studies that take note of the fact that cell phone headsets are no panacea. The accident statistics don't seem to bear out the great hope to stay connected while handling complex tasks, like driving,
Looks like the only cure for this dilemma is recognition of the dangers involved and a conscious choice to use cells only in circumstances that demand less attention.

Here is just one, the first one that popped up on google.
http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/12/new-study-says-headsets-dont-make-cellphone-driving-safer/

Unless we manage to self limit cell usage, new laws become inevitable.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:09 PM
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56. Just as the fact people will ignore these new laws is inevitable. n/t
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Buxtehude Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:24 PM
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61. We're a lawless society. n/t
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Buxtehude Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:23 PM
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60. Ain't Democracy wonderful. n/t
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Lucy - Claire Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 03:41 AM
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63. It is the Law in the UK
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 03:54 AM by Lucy - Claire
People have to use headsets if they want to use there mobiles whilst driving or pull over and stop driving.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:58 PM
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66. What about my laptop? I use that while driving too. n/t
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:13 PM
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69. Please tell me you're joking.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:20 PM
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73. not joking
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:45 PM
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76. Please never drive anywhere in or near the Greater Toronto Area then
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:47 PM
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77. only accident I have ever even been involved in with a car I was walking

And I will drive anywhere I choose to drive.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:17 PM
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spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:20 PM
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72. What is worse? Cell phone driving or cig smoking?
Or maybe buttinskyism?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:43 PM
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75. people don't interact intellectually with their cigarettes
unless they drop them in their laps
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:41 PM
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74. and ALL of them are so sure they can drive well
arrogant ASSHOLES
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:51 PM
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78. people don't need to use them when driving
cell phones have voicemail. Drivers can hear the messages when they reach their destination or their stop on the way.

I hate the ring tone music on cell phones. They think it's cute. I don't.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 01:57 AM
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79. The other day while I was stopped at a red light
Edited on Sun Jul-02-06 01:59 AM by LibDemAlways
six cars turned left directly in front of me. Every one of those six drivers was driving one handed while yakking on a cell phone. My cell phone stays in my purse turned off when I'm driving. I don't need or want the distraction, and it's easy to check for messages when I reach my destination. I can't believe that the conversations those drivers were having were all so important they couldn't wait.

I'm with you.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 02:02 AM
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80. I agree.
But not ban them entirely. I'd support the use of headsets if people need to talk on the phone while driving.
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 02:04 AM
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81. Whats next, no eating while driving?
No talking while driving? No changing radio stations while driving.

People just have to come to the terms that you are one day gonna die. awwwwwww But we have to prevent it, so it never happens aggain! waahhhhhhhhh

accidents happen, what are you going to do about it. Once a decision on this is finally made, we'll all be debating another issue just like this. Another issue will take its place, and it will go on and on an on. Like banning diving boards in swimming pools.

As long as people are afraid of dieing, there will always be issues like this.

fear, fear, fear,

I'm getting sick of it.


(for all you christians, What are you afraid of?)
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