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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:21 PM
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Prosecuting the NSA whistleblowers will destroy Bush.
This is hubris, this is the final, fatal error, a result of their blindness, their overestimate of their power.

Prosecuting the leakers will create a court case to make the OJ trial seem lame and uninteresting. Every day for months, the headlines, what the NSA was doing, the leakers will be revealed as sympathetic, loyal, patriotic career public servants shocked by what they were witnessing.

The court will be forced to rule on the legality of what Bush was doing. headlines, headlines, headlines. Endless appeals. The issue will be stinking up the air every day till 2008.

Its a stupid thing to do. Its idiotic, as idiotic as invading Iraq with less than 300,000 troops, is idiotic as trying to screw with social security, as idiotic as ignoring the report that Bin Laden was determined to strike in the US. As stupid as the Schiavo mess.

These people are massively incompetent, and it will destroy them. They prosecute this case, they have a tiger by the tail.

The conservative judge in charge of the Masouai case has turned against them, imagine how much more sympathetic these NSA people are going to be? They will be fighting a much steeper uphill battle in this case. They will lose.

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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:24 PM
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1. It It Goes Well It Won't Even Take A Court
Just the day to day scrutiny of the investigation - and people should comment one very single aspect of it as it happens, to hell with secrecy - should be enough to awake the nation. If nothing else you'd expect papers all around the nation to come to the editorial aid of the NYT. If they don't you should start checking out travel reservations.
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:26 PM
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4. Yup, your right, but I do not think we are there yet.
And this could be the one step too far that wakes up the press and the people.

McCarthy was at his peak when his bubble burst. This could be Bush's biggest mistake.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:30 PM
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7. "Have you, at last, no decency sir?"
Somebody needs to ask Li'l Bush that same question -- in public. Maybe, yeah, these NSA trials will do that...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:34 PM
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8. I hope so
They don't want people looking at it. Hopefully they do.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:25 PM
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2. I sure hope so! n/t
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:26 PM
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3. Excellent point - the worst, dumbest, most imbecelic presidency ever.
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 02:29 PM by marylanddem
The more they shovel the shit, the harder it will fall on them.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:30 PM
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5. I wasn't aware of any leakers.........
has someone come forward? If they have they'd better sleep with one eye open.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:30 PM
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6. It didn't do shit to Iran-Contra
Those people are conservative folk heroes now and have jobs in the current misadministration. My god but Oliver North is an asshole. (Had to throw that in.)
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:34 PM
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9. It will be secret! You won't hear anything about it.
Think Sybil Edmonds, they are going to claim "State Secrets" and everything will be classified and kept away from any public exposure.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:37 PM
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10. god, i hope you're correct.
it seems like every outrage they commit will be the final straw. it will have to come eventually.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:40 PM
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11. Yes , but will the media air it ?
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 02:41 PM by proud patriot
that's been a big problem .

The media chose to give how many hours
of coverage of the schivo protesters?

and how much coverage did tens of millions
of anti - Iraq invasion protesters get ?
In fact most people I talk to were totally
unaware that more people in the world protested
the invasion then at any time in history .

The Media is a big issue .
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:41 PM
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12. It is not 1971
sorry, the news paper carry this and this lead the evening news? COm'on where do you think you are? A free country?
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:41 PM
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13. Or, there could be a Ukrainian cell with their name on it...
There the only leaking they'll do is out of their eye sockets.

By finding the leaker is the Department of Justice finding justice in the situation? No.

Is the DOJ doing the job they have been assigned to do? No.

Is the DOJ wasting the tax payer's money and time with a go nowhere impotent investigation? Yes.

So what was conservative about this again?
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:00 PM
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14. I agree--not only will the leakers be shown to be patriotic and brave
protectors of our constitutional and civil rights, but the extent to which the wiretapping went on will also horrify most Americans who haven't drunk the Kool-Aid.

Molly Ivins referred in her column the other day to "millions" of intercepted messages. I haven't seen anything else about that number (and of course, if the number really is that huge, that's practically a guarantee that totally innocent citizens--maybe even Bush supporters!--will have had their privacy invaded). But I was away from the TV and the computer for a few days, so maybe I missed something. Is that the new number--millions?

(Here's what she said:
"You will be unsurprised to learn that, first, they lied. They didn't do it. Well, OK, they did it, but not very much at all. Well, OK, more than that. A lot more than that. OK, millions of private e-mail and telephone calls every hour, and all medical and financial records.")
http://www.alternet.org/story/30175/

Millions of private e-mails and phone calls an hour? All medical and financial records? That means the government was spying on YOU, Joe Six-Pack. And I don't think Joe is going to appreciate that.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:24 PM
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15. Thanks for using the term "whistle blowers", patcox2.
Enjoyed your post, too!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:34 PM
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16. The whistle blowers will persevere
My expectation is free representation by the ACLU for the whistle blowers in this case where the depth of depravity shown by the administration will be laid bare for all to see.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:44 PM
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17. The national security card will be played
and none of it will ever see the light of day for at least a decade.Historians will say these were very bad people it will be an embarrassment ,but it won't do us a lick of good.
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