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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:31 AM
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Poll question: Would You Describe Lay's Widow As a:
"non-criminal beneficiary of a crime"?
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:34 AM
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1. This Is Totally Un-Needed. Have We No Compassion?
The woman's husband is dead. Let this rest!!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:38 AM
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3. save your compassion for the deserving- FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY
Edited on Fri Jul-07-06 09:45 AM by seemslikeadream
get real









Until the philosophy,
Which holds one race superior
And another inferior,
Is finally and permanently
Discredited and abandoned,
Everywhere is war.

WAR

Until there is no longer first class
Or second class citizens of any nation.
Until the color of a man's skin,
Is of no more significance than
The color of his eyes,
I've got to say "war".

WAR

That until the basic human rights,
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race,
I'll say "war"

Until that day the dream of lasting peace,
World-citizenship and the rule of
International morality will remain
Just a fleeting illusion to be pursued,
But never obtained.
And everywhere is war.

Until the ignoble and unhappy regime
Which holds all of us through,
Child-abuse, yeah, child-abuse yeah,
Sub-human bondage has been toppled,
Utterly destroyed,
Everywhere is war.

War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south,
There is war,
And the rumors of war.

Until that day,
the african continent will know no peace
There is no continent,
Which will know peace.

Children, children.

Fight!

We find it necessary.
We know we will win.
We have confidence in the victory
Of good over evil
Of good over evil

Fight the real enemy!

Bob Marley
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:46 AM
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6. I Have Compassion For ALL. The Woman's Husband Is dead.
Cheap shots do not help anyone!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:53 AM
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9. The woman lived off the misery of others
Edited on Fri Jul-07-06 10:02 AM by seemslikeadream
get real



Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,
Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,

Ain't got no food to eat,
Ain't got no money to spend, wo-oo-oo
Ain't got no food to eat,
Ain't got no money to spend, woo-oo-oo

Come, little one and let me do what i can do for you
And you and you alone
Come, little one, come wo-oo-oo
Let me do all i can do for you and you alone, woo-oo-oo

He who knows the right thing
And do it not
Shall be spanked with many stripes,


Weeping and wailing and moaning,
You've got yourself to blame, I tell you.
Do right do right do right do right do right,
Do right do right do right do right do right
Tell ya to do right, woo-oo-oo
Beg ya to do right, woo -oo- oo

Where is bagawire, he's nowhere to be found
He can't be found
First betrayer who gave away Marcus Garvey
Son of satan, first prophesy,
hold 'em Marcus hold 'em
prohey fulfilled
Catch them, Garvey old

Prophesy fullfilled
Catch them Garvey, catch them woo-oo-oo
Hold them Marcus, hold them woo-oo-oo
Marcus garvey, marcus woo-oo-oo


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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:56 AM
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12. Actually I don't.
But I don't think she's a criminal either.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:35 AM
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2. That's an Accurate description
And that's all that matters. Political concerns and decency concerns are illusions, that get in the way of the truth!

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:39 AM
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4. Is It?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:50 AM
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8. Yes.
She got money her husband stole - while she's probably going to be in trouble for hte next couple of years, there's every reason to expect she will come out ahead.

So we are totally justified in being cruel and hateful to her. And those who think this makes us look bad should remember that honesty is more imprtant than shallow political concerns. It's not like our failure to successfully push our programs forward hurts anybody.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:55 AM
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11. One Seems To Be Diresting One's Anger At The Wrong Person.
Do not agree with your statement, "... So we are totally justified in being cruel and hateful to her. ..." Do not agree with it on any level.

So be it.


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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:58 AM
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14. Why not? Isn't that what justice is?
If she is benefiting from the misery her husband caused why shouldn't she suffer?

ANd at any rate, our hatred and cruelty don't amount to very much. Should Ken Lay's widow visit DU I imagine she would be upset, but it doesn't seem likely tha she would.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 10:02 AM
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15. OK. ... This Is Going No Where
So be it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 10:07 AM
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18. This is what ms. lay should be made to visit
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MamaBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:40 AM
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5. If not aider and abettor, at the very least enabler.
When she shows some compassion for the people made miserable and destitute by her husband's greed and felonious acts, I'll consider giving her a bit of a pass.

In other words, when she starts paying out.

Until then, she's fair game.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:50 AM
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7. It Is Not About Her. It Is About Us. It Is About Who We Are.
Besides, what does one hope to accomplish by being this way toward a person whose husband has died?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:55 AM
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10. He died of a FAT heart
Edited on Fri Jul-07-06 09:56 AM by seemslikeadream
he got living off the misery of the people he destroyed. She condoned and excepted his sins

but I repeat myself

Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,
Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,

Ain't got no food to eat,
Ain't got no money to spend, wo-oo-oo
Ain't got no food to eat,
Ain't got no money to spend, woo-oo-oo

Come, little one and let me do what i can do for you
And you and you alone
Come, little one, come wo-oo-oo
Let me do all i can do for you and you alone, woo-oo-oo

He who knows the right thing
And do it not
Shall be spanked with many stripes,


Weeping and wailing and moaning,
You've got yourself to blame, I tell you.
Do right do right do right do right do right,
Do right do right do right do right do right
Tell ya to do right, woo-oo-oo
Beg ya to do right, woo -oo- oo

Where is bagawire, he's nowhere to be found
He can't be found
First betrayer who gave away Marcus Garvey
Son of satan, first prophesy,
hold 'em Marcus hold 'em
prohey fulfilled
Catch them, Garvey old

Prophesy fullfilled
Catch them Garvey, catch them woo-oo-oo
Hold them Marcus, hold them woo-oo-oo
Marcus garvey, marcus woo-oo-oo
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 09:58 AM
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13. So Be It.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 10:05 AM
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16. jah bless i and i emanymton
and i will leave jah to bless ms. lay
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MamaBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 10:24 AM
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20. Sorry. Her husband caused a lot of suffering.
She aided, abetted and enabled. She has done nothing to salve the suffering he caused. I owe her neither sympathy, nor pity, nor respect.

I'm not usually this harsh, but the crime is not usually this big.

People who steal a hundred bucks get sent to jail and have to make restitution. Just because her husband stole a billion bucks, and she enjoyed the fruits of that, she should not be the respected widow, if indeed he is dead?

Sorry you're upset, often I am by these kinds of sentiments. Not this time.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 10:48 AM
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22. One Can Disagree Without Being Disagreeable.
Have a nice weekend.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 10:07 AM
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17. Right, she had no idea what he was doing. - n/t
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 10:14 AM
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19. The worst psychopaths have no trouble finding a wife
What is up with that. And many saints never marry. Oh boy.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-07-06 10:40 AM
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21. I remember her crying on TV about having to sell one of their houses
The Enron collapse to her meant she had to part with one of her luxury homes while the people her husband lied to lost their pensions and livlihoods. The woman showed no compassion for them. She has been living off the proceeds of her husband's misdeeds so yes, she is a "non-criminal beneficiary of a crime."

Yeah, it's sad she lost her husband and I don't wish sadness and grief and loss on anyone. Behind the haughtiness and "Let them eat cake" attitude, there is a real person who has experienced a profound personal loss. I feel for her.

Sympathy and justice are different things, it's like loving the person but hating the behavior. If justice were to be served here, I think she should be able to keep enough money to have a reasonably comfortable living (as defined by average people, not the wealthy) and the rest given back to the people it was stolen from.
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