Rethinking 'mAnn'

I'm apparently not as open-minded as I often like to think.

One fellow DUer took me to task for my ill-considered comments in the 'FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WITH THE MANN COULTER.....' thread.

I'm not saying this to call attention to myself (or to necessarily mollify the DUers who found me insulting) but because I found this to be a valuable learning experience. My using the 'mAnn' insult against Ann Coulter will stop immediately.

Have we become so desperate that we will stoop to the low of suggesting that a RW pundit that we don't like is a transsexual?

There's no doubt that Ann Coulter's a real bitch. There's no excuse for her hateful rhetoric, but that doesn't mean that we can suggest that she's a transsexual only to use such a distinction as an insult. Not only is that offensive to those of us who are transsexual, but it's sinking to her (Ann Coulter's) level.

Another DUer said that it was like calling someone 'Asian' or 'black' as an insult. I certainly wouldn't want my ethnicity, gender, or any other attribute used against someone else. It'd be an insult.

I don't know if Ann Coulter is transsexual or not. If she is, then it's her business. Either way, shame on us for using 'transsexual' as an insult. Anyway, it's like many people here have always said: better to beat Coulter in the realm of ideas than in the realm of insults. Especially below-the-belt ones such as this one.
Ringo

Or maybe it's the same rung. I don't mind appearance-based burns on people because they know no limitations for gender/race/whatever (see the Dennis Hastert photo for an example), but to tie in an appearance burn to an oppressed minority isn't really all that cool.

And I'm ashamed that I took part in it.

Thanks for the comments.
Ringo

In all further dealings with The Diva of The Devil, one and all should follow the wise and erudite lead of Adam Carolla.

He's got the whole thing down pat.

You mean the guy who hung up on her midsentence? Yeah! That was great. That's the best way to handle Coulter.
Ringo

The thing is, she deserved every bit of it. She is rude, lewd, crude and disrespectful. My South Carolinian Late Grandmother would have called her "common as pig droppings". She would have been right, too.

Carolla knows that the best way to handle people like her is to laugh and point.

I love many of the old sayings. Your grandmother was right. Coultergeist will do herself in with her meanness.

If she isn't killed by her smoking (doesn't she supposedly smoke two packs a day?), her extreme anger will do her in.

Whatever it is that has made her such an angry woman, she really needs to let it go. I have "stuff" to work through myself, and it's changed me ever since middle school. I know all about "stuff" that ends up poisoning you.
Ringo

I don't agree that the best way for everyone to treat each other is for everyone to abuse everybody.

Carolla may have felt abused himself - that she called 90 minutes late. And I think that it's perfectly legitimate to end the call and not give her air time. But the idea that - well Ann Coulter is a pig - so that gives someone else the right to act like a pig - which gives someone else the right to act like a pig, etc. doesn't really fly.

Everyone just ends up being a pig.

And people who are pigs who abuse other pigs are not heroes to me.

Now if everyone would ignore the pigs - including Carolla - that would be something.


Carolla - re: rape - "I'd show up at raves at like 3 in the morning and just be like garbage man. I'd be straight as an arrow and everyone else would be passed out, and I'd scrape up what was left and have sex with it". http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adam_Carolla

(He might not call it rape - but I would).

There is real possibility that you would have felt that, in this case, Carolla was completely appropriate.

and totally arrogant. You know when you're late its common courtesy to ask to be excused for it, and not make up and bunch of transparent excuses. When someone puts you on a show to let you plug your crap they are doing you a favor. She apparently believes the world should serve and accommodate her. "I'm tight on time..." What the hell is that? Did she think that maybe she had inconvenienced Carolla who had set aside a segment of his show for her to spout her bullshit. Good on Carolla for not taking any crap from this political hack. I would have done the same thing. You're tight on time, well so am I. I have a radio show to do... bye! Of course I probably would not have her on. She is part of the poison that exists in politics today and the best antidote is to make sure she gets less air time.

Of course she should be on her way out now that its been discovered she's a plagiarist. I didn't know writing hack material was so hard that you had to steal other peoples crap from the web. But if Rush Limbaugh rate of survival is any indication, we may have Coulter around in spite of her obvious lack of talent or integrity.

...and I've been very surprised to see it on DU fairly often. The pun is just too tempting, I suspect. Ms. Coulter's gender is immaterial of course-- she's a shrill and opportunistic harpy no matter what, never above the intellectually dishonest cheap shot or skating the edge of hate rhetoric for political advantage. Ms. Coulter lives under a rock when she isn't doing the talk show circuit. Best to just let her coil there, IMO.

See, now I've insulted venomous snakes by association. Sheesh.

***See, now I've insulted venomous snakes by association. ***

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:rofl:

Not many people can have their assumptions challenged, admit their mistake, and apologize gracefully.

Methinks you're a keeper. :)


What a great place this is, eh? We don't all agree all the time, (except that GW sucks!) but *most* of the time we at least TRY to be civil about any disagreements . . .

Thanks. I appreciate it. I hope I haven't already turned people permanently against me. I was wrong, and I felt bad about it.

Yeah, DU is pretty good about disagreements. It's not like ICQ boards, where there's constant flaming and trolling(I used to post in the 'Current Events' board there).
Ringo

not her legs.

Anything that will piss that (don't say the word King, you'll get tombstoned) como se llama off is fair fucking game.

Yeah, but what fi we made an issue of her race - "well, Ann's just a coon"? It's the same thing.
Ringo

but, isn't this also an issue of hypocricy? if she's a closeted sex change, shilling the extreme RW wing TP memos? in the same light of family values thrush limpboy on a sex tour with a pocket full of puppy-uppers?

at the same time, i think there's SO MUCH ELSE to go after.

(i did enjoy the "ann, why the long face?" snark by lisa lampinelli)

don't let yourself be intimidated. People who post in DU have to grow a thick skin when it comes to personal matters. I couldn't count the number and kind of insults I have had to endure because I'm a vegetarian. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I'm not going to coerce anyone into changing their's just cause it offends me personally. Coulter is an ass and what her and her kind take as an insult I'm not going to hold back on calling her.

I've been told that I need to grow a thicker skin. It's true; I tend to be somewhat sensitive.

This place is so big that there have to be hundreds of different opinions here. Another reason why RWers are so stupid when they say 'The Left' as though we all think alike.
Ringo

I suggest you save this and post it whenever this issue comes up in response to the people doing it. It won't change everyone but what you have said here is thoughtful. I have always hated anything like this. You call a person on what they have done. To use a group of people as an insult makes a person darned near as bad as the person they are trying to insult.

Thanks for the comments. I will save it. It's pretty bad when we sink to the level of Ann Coulter.
Ringo

:toast:

Hekate

How are you, by the way?
Ringo

I think the fact that her Adam's apple protrudes and she has masculine characteristics- large hands, feet and deep voice, juxtaposed with the fact that she is a vocal supporter of restricting the rights of gay Americans, and is hateful, scornful and judgmental of the gay community... the 'joke' writes itself. Not that it is BAD or SHAMEFUL that she may be transsexual, but that she is a f*cking HYPOCRITE. Like every Bible-thumping, Crusading "family Values' Republican that cheats on his wife or prowls the internet for underage sex partners... the JOKE is that Ms. Coulter would deny the others' equal rights is in fact the type of person she purports to despise- a major case of denial, self-hate and hypocrisy. That would explain her bitter, bitter, nasty, angry persona. She does not like or accept what she is, and that's why she persecutes others. THAT is the joke, in my opinion.

I've been criticized for the same thing. I think that is the wrong interpretation, but understand how some folks may feel like it's the transsexual part that's being mocked. No, I say- it's the ANN part.

Steph Miller calls her mAnn on a daily basis, other AAR hosts do so on occasion(Franken, Randi Rhodes)-- c'mon, you can't mean to say that these people are mocking transsexuals... they're mocking the evil, anti- gay proselytizing Coulter.

a tranny is because Freepers want to sleep with her, and Freepers are also Homophobes. So, I relish how their heads must explode when they entertain - even briefly - the idea that they are sexually aroused by a man.

I realize now after several threads on the matter that it is insulting to transsexuals. Frankly, calling Coulter a man is insulting to men, and yet calling Coulter a woman is insulting to women. Even calling Coulter a human being is insulting to humans everywhere!

From now on, I will refer to Coulter as "it".

....is what got me in trouble in the first place. I wouldn't recommend it. But if that's what you want to call her, it's OK. I don't think I'll ever be able to call her 'mAnn' again, barring the times I used it in this thread.
Ringo

This is something I've found really troubling, and I'm glad to see that people are willing to listen to other views on this and examine their own.

:hi:

But thanks. I try to be as open-minded as possible.
Ringo

...Meanwhile...Karl Rove is gay. Scott McLelland is gay. George Bush is gay. Alberto is gay. Ashcroft is gay. Fatwell is gay. Robertson is gay. Dobson is gay. Santorum likes man-on-dog. Inhoffe is gay. Limpballs is gay. Dr. *cough* Laura is gay. Everybody who hates gays is gay. Because we all know bigotry is really jealousy. Racists secretly want to be black. Minutemen secretly want to cross borders and pick lettuce.

It's stupid, and once a week I put up with some thread declaing that since somebody denounces homosexuality, they must be gay. I've seen no threads yet on Trent Lott wanting to be black yet, or Tancredo longing for the days of fruit harvesting. What do I do? Some liberals have their minds made up that homphobia is secret desires for man on man sex, and I can't change that on my own, so I put up with it...but it's still stupid!

We have Roy Cohn, Ken Mehlman, Richard Simmons, that "progressive" bitch on Fox Snooz and Rip Taylor. How much more embarassment can a community handle? That doesn't stop straight dems from calling everybody that spouts off bigotry "secretly gay". You Trannies can put up with one nasty woman who may be pre or post op, depending on what she'll disclose when she's captured by the liberation front.;)