Dodd: "No more highly respected Senator than Joe Lieberman"

Dodd: "I disagree with him on Iraq, but on almost every other issue he's been a strong Democrat." (as replayed on Ed Schultz show)

Now that I've got your attention, I want to ask everyone here on DU to make a pledge. Whoever wins the Democratic Primary in CT, do plege to stop bashing fellow Democrats? If Lieberman wins, do you pledge to cease and desist from any attacks on Lieberman, as a fellow Democrat and winner of the CT primary?

Other than that, sure.

and others I hope the winner of the Democratic primary will win the general election.

ALL of you guys need to "go".. We deserve better

The Democratic party BETTER SUPPORT THE WINNER OF THE PRIMARY

on the Dem candidate are not allowed. Constructive criticism has always been allowed, but not over the top attacks.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

be allowed to post here if he loses the primary but continues on in the general?

Somehow, I can't picture this rule being enforced... though it definitely ought to be.

But THAT will be enforced, I guarantee. If Lamont wins, he will be the Dem nominee as far as DU rules, period.

But if Lieberman wins, oh it will just be one long "constructive criticism" fest all the way through to November.

If I don't win I take my toys and go independent. That changed a lot of minds.

I think the proper thing is to vote for the Democrat who wins the primary.

Support the Democrat that wins the primary. If it's Lamont (unlikely I think) I'm sure Du'ers will be dancing in the streets. But if it's Liberman (more likely I think) I'd like to see everyone stop attacking him and focus attention on defeating Republicans.

"If the Republicans win, it's the poor people along the coast who'll drown in the hurricane, not me!"

This poll reveals the Naderist politics of self-destruction behind an overwhelming majority of the movement:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2709895&mesg_id=2709895

LaMont has pledged to support the winner of the Democratic primary. Lieberthug will run as an independent if he loses the Democratic primary.

So your conclusion (re. Lamont supporters being "self-destructive naderites") is bass-ackwards.

Did you even read my post?

And you are misrepresenting "I will take responsibility for my decision as the right thing to have done." as "self-destructive Naderites."

Most, if not all of these respondents are saying Lieberthug is no different than a RW Rethug and he has to go.

Lieberthug is the only person in CT acting like Nader.

If people are not going to say it's a mistake if it doesn't work, doesn't that make it "not a mistake"? So it's good to them that their actions could put a Republican in office?

The Lieberman = Republican argument is also as roundly false as the Gore = Bush* one.

The Naderite ethic has infected the Lamont movement.

1. It's never a mistake to vote for what you believe. There are many people who disagree with Lieberman, not only because of his support for the war in Iraq, but because he has behaved like Cheney in demanding loyalty to * by democrats.

2. The Gore=* argument had little basis in fact. It was simply Nader's campaign slogan. Lieberman=* has great merit with reference to the Iraq War. And for many, the Iraq War is the overwhelming issue right now.

3. Your last comment is clearly what you believe, but you have not supported it very well at all, and I obviously I disagree.

It's never a mistake to vote for what you believe.

Sure, like how people here believe in more of the things that Lieberman supports than those that Schlesinger supports. I agree.

Lieberman=* has great merit with reference to the Iraq War.

Schlesinger=Bush* has great merit with reference to everything else, and the Iraq War too.

I think much of our disagreement is rooted in the relative importance of Lieberman's position and tactics re. Iraq. I think it's an overwhelming issue and you don't.

Maybe we can at least agree on that comment of mine.

the Democratic primary. Lieberman is going to call his new party Connecticut for Lieberman. So who is doing the right thing. Who made Joe God?

Why don't you account for the fact that 88% of Lamont's supporters don't care if a Republican sits in the senate seat being held by Lieberman the same way that a quarter or so of Naderites still won't take responsibility for getting Bush* elected?

Dean said a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush*, you know.

THat asshole!

That is what he plans to call it if he does not win the primary.

and quite frankly, so does this incumbant protection racket that many Dems are running.

It also hurts candidates in other races all across the country.

IMO- the party would be better off with Lieberman NO LONGER in office- and a lot of people including me who can see the big picture- don't care how that might come about.

way of his professional judgment here.

Of course we'll support the Democratic nominee, even if its JoeMo. But, no promises that we'll be real enthusiastic about it.;-)

If Joe wins and then behaves like a true democrat then I'd stop trashing him.

I'm voting against him in August.

For me, he's got to make a clean break.

>>>If Lieberman wins, do you pledge to cease and desist from any attacks on Lieberman, as a fellow Democrat and winner of the CT>>>

Democrat than Lieberman who by running as an IND has promised to continue attacks on the nominee ( Lamont)?

You got a lot of hutzpa suggesting what DUers should do.

Better you should suggest to Lieberthug that HE STOP TELLING HIS FELLOW DEMOCRATS HOW TO BEHAVE!!!

What I'm talking about is his ugly suggestion that Dems stop criticizing Bush.

Ask that same question of the admins. I dare you.

And it won't as far as I'm concerned.

Why? Simple. He's filing to run as an independent, should LaMont beat him in the primary. That disqualifies him as a Democrat, as far as I'm concerned. He's putting himself above the party, so DU should not apply any rule that is intended to benefit the party in a situation involving Lieberthug.

"as far as I'm concerned"

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

in case he loses the Dem primary. Technically not leaving the party, but keeping his name on the ballot, even with a Dem primary winner in place. That's my take on the electoral mechanics, and I very well could be wrong, not my take on the political ethics.

How could that "maneuver" be possibly supported by any true Democrat?

What he's doing is hurting LaMont's chances if LaMont wins the primary.

Therefore he's helping the Republican chances. Nothing new there, for Lieberthug.

How could that "maneuver" be possibly supported by any true Democrat?

If it keeps out the Republican.

What he's doing is hurting LaMont's chances if LaMont wins the primary.

I think that's the idea.

Therefore he's helping the Republican chances.

Obviously haven't seen the poll results, I see. Go read them and come back. Last I read, a lone Lamont run would increase Schlesinger's share from 8% in a three-way race to 20% in a two-way race. Lamont is helping the Republicans.

I already know where you stand.

And as I've said (above), I disagree with your interpretation of the poll results.

however it falls. If he wins, he can expect support from Democrats. If he loses, he can retire. This maneuvering is digging him a political hole, though, at least nationally. Things may be very different in CT. :shrug: He's a long time figure in CT politics. I'm not familiar with that aspect of the whole thing.

As for where Lieberthug stands in Connecticut, I used to support him there, but I don't live there anymore. If I did live there, I would be working my ass off for LaMont.

My well informed guess is he has lost a great deal of standing in the state with his antics. I doubt he has much support there to continue his political career if he does not return to the Senate this year.

He should retire in that event. But dropping from VP candidate to nothing in eight years is a tough thing for anyone to swallow.

(edit - typo)

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

than the rank and file of the Democratic Party. If Lieberman wins, it will be because he used the Republican playbook and I disrespect him for that. As a representative for the state of Connecticut, he represents those people. However, as a Democratic Senator, he represents all of us Dems. He needs to demonstrate a little freakin' loyalty. In his anxiousness to be perceived of as "bipartisan," he has kissed up one too many times to * for my comfort.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

:toast: :-) :hi:

:hi:

... kemo sabe. Lieberman is FOREVER on my shit list.

I think Lamont found Joe's momentum.

than joe the extortionist.

especially since he's running for President. :shrug:

So, now that Lieberman has filed to run in November as an Independent, if he wins the Democratic Primary will he have to debate himself? :shrug:

Will he do attack ads on himself? :shrug:

Wouldn't that be something if the two Liebermans on the ballot ended up splitting the vote and the republican won???? :shrug:

Joe must've not thought about that before he sold-out the Democratic Party and his Democratic Principals solely to try to stay in office. Much more important to stay in office than to have integrity...:eyes:

Or when a DEM refuses or is too frightened to fight Bush, I should pretend I agree with that as well?

I'll root for whoever wins the CT primary, even if it's Holy Joe- but I will still critique him AND Bush when I disagree with them.

:eyes:

See you in November.

posters in via deception, ala..."now that I have your attention...blah blah blah, and more high and mighty blah blahs... Save your wise cracks for another time. They might have more validity later.

How Little Respect Senators Deserve.

As for Lieberman on the Issues (see link!).

Do you agree with Lieberman on the issues?

www.vote-smart.org

Well, compare that with a piece from the Hartford Courant which shows Lieberman's general tendencies (and comments on how people seem to regularly forget them). No doubt he has the ability to say one thing and do another (including saying multiple contradictory things and doing none of them), and get away with it--leaving people thinking he's whatever they were looking for, when he's not.

Joe believes he knows best; better than the rest (everyone else), and it just isn't so.

Refining your link a little (pointing to Joe) vote smart-lieberman

And don't forget Lieberman on the Issues.

makes him sound more calculating than I thought he was. I at least thought that he was at least voting his conscience even if we wildly disagree. But even that doesn't appear to be true.

Even if you accept that he's 'decent' on 'some issues', I wonder if that's enough...

It raises questions like, were Atilla the Hun, Hitler, or McCarthy... decent on some issues? If they were, does it matter?

But really, I suspect:
-- that Joe Lieberman is much worse than his supporters imagine, and
-- that he's probably worse than most people imagine, and
-- that he doesn't deserve to hold the position of Senator, and
-- anyone who suffers with such a ego, conspires with the enemy, and is willing to ignore his own constituency's will (decision in the primaries), doesn't deserve to be elected, and
-- that he does indeed harm our party, in more ways than just being so outspoken against the party's general consensus on key issues, but
-- he's probably not a total, 100% ogre, and
-- may, on the occasional issue, have his heart in the right place...

Then again, if any position he might be right on were to get in the way of possible advancement, his ambition would override it--he would swing whichever way he found to be the most advantageous. This is not integrity, and we need more integrity second only to needing Democrats who are both committed to Democratic ideals and who are also team players!

In the last paragraph, I intoned that Lieberman's positions on the issues are... well, "variable", depending upon what he sees as feeding his ambition... If you were wondering why I would say such a thing, I refer you to the following:

Bush’s Lap Dog Wants It Both Ways

about the Party.

I want him replaced. Not by a Republican, certainly- but, yes, by a REAL Democrat.

I'm not going to "promise" not to criticize anyone. Sorry. I will, of course, abide by the DU rules regarding supporting members of our Party- something it sounds like Joe himself wouldn't be able to manage if he loses the primary.

But I'm not a CT resident, so once the primary is over it's really not my concern. I won't have to hold my nose and vote for him this fall. Doing so for DiFi will be work enough.

Words like "Blind Arrogance", "Self-Preservation", "Supreme Ego" all come to mind...
Anyway, here's Liberman's interview over his announcement that he's taking an "insurance plan" to ensure ALL the voters of Connecticut get to express their will and pick the one man most exceptionally qualified and wise beyond years to be their leader (leader/guide, not mere 'representative') in the Senate...

Announcing Lieberman's Insurance Plan

He should be voted out of office on attitude alone! Like George W. Bush, he too thinks he's uniquely qualified, visionary, superior and urgently needed by the American people, to provide their "leadership" to the country.

What... Unadulterated Hubris!

if he wins over Lamont in the Primary?

In all honesty...I don't know. I blame him for Gore/2000...so it would be a very hard call for me. I might just abstain figuring the way he's kissed Bush's cheek and ass all these years...I just couldn't stomach voting for him.

And that's the TRUTH. There are other DINO's that I would pull a lever for before Liberman. He's just such a hard call for me...and I did live in CT under Weichert and I liked him until he was thrown out by the "Machine."

It's a hard call. Is it worth saving that Senate Seat for Lieberman....Maybe Not.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

especially senators from the same state and the same party.

he sold out our sons and daughters for a lie. he deserves no respect.