Hey Hezbollah-Lobbing Missiles Into Densely Populated Cities Is Uncool

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everyone suffers..especially people who don't want war..

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....begging to get flamed don't you?? Fairness is NOT allowed with regards to anything affecting the Middle East.:sarcasm:

that the majority of posters here don't consider H'zbollah's actions anything but reprehensible. There are those on both sides who are less than knowledgable, less than reasonable, but they are by no means the majority.

I don't think anybody in their right mind would argue the proposition I made in the alternate which would be "Lobbing Missiles Into Densely Populated City Is Cool."


I think this never ending conflict is a pox on everbody's house but damned if I believe this is a tidy little passion play or a battle between white hats and black hats.

War is uncool, period. :(

there are no suburbs in the Western sense...

only land on civilians who are thinking evil thoughts???

they only kill terrorists!

Peer pressure may be the smart route to ending this latest crisis. Just convince the Israelis and sundry Palestinian groups that if they commit acts of war, they can't sit at the cool table during lunch.

Or call me "soft".


I don't see what's funny or "soft" about not wanting to see (other) people fight to the death.

Israel should return to their pre 1967 borders with small modifications for security and Jerusalem should be an "open" city.

I realize that is utopian but it sure seems better than what they have now; the Israelis are (mostly ) prosperous and live in a state of fear and the (most) Palestinians are poor and live in a state of fear.

I wouldn't want to live like that.

I think the average Israeli and Palestinian wants what most people want; a safe and secure environment where they can live their life the way they choose.

No Israel. No Palestine. Just a large, permanent, UN Protectorate which is not self-governing.

Both these "states" are subsidized by American and European taxpayers.

Yours is a wise and compassionate approach. And there is nothing wrong with being a "utopian" Nothing wrong with that at all.

so are the US made 500lb bombs falling on The Lebanon

post regarding Israel's bad acts come with a disclaimer that H'zbollah is also committing bad acts? No. There's nothing inherently wrong with the OP.

There are some people with this emotional thing about Israel - it is never wrong, ever, and if you criticize anything it does, you are generally responded to as if you take the side of those who want to "drive Israel into the sea" sort of like the Bush Administration, you can't criticize it without "hating Bush" and "hating America."

Israel can be the most self-pitying nation that ever was. If they are surrounded by enemies they can't survive, so what makes them special? If we couldn't survive or defend ourselves, we wouldn't be a nation, either.

War is uncool.

To extend the metaphor...how smart is it to go up to the Football Team table in High School and punch out the kicker?

Not a good idea...

The analogy is correct IMO.

and Israel's war ships using seaside beaches for target practice is COOL... Don't think so.

beaches by these scum, then that happens.

It's like hiding behind women and shooting people. Very brave...

Israel shouldn't get a pass on this. Firing into places packed with innocent civilians is not excusable, regardless of whether those civilians are being used as pawns. it's still not there fault.

that's how it is, buddy.

Let the civilians get their governments to stop allowing terrorists to use them as shields.

Do you really think that the only people hurt in a war are the soldiers? Since when - this isn't a video game this is a War.

In that we haven't removed the "terrorists" in our government who are using military force in the Iraq. Or, Hizbullah, shooting rockets into Haifa because the civilians there haven't removed their terrorist government.

I'm not saying that. The government of Lebanon needs to rid itself of the Hezbollah the way we rid ourselves of the Symbionese Liberation Army back in the 1970's. You can't permit sedition within a society.

You want to generalize: OK, give your home back to the Native Americans, since you're on their land.

Sublime to the absurd...

The people of the United States didn't force the government to rid it of the SLA.

How do you propose that the Lebanese people "force their government" to remove Hezbullah?

With your logic(?) we should "force" our government to rid itself of Bush and the Pentagon, who are doing far more damage to civilians than Hezbullah.

The SLA kidnapped a judge form a courtroom and assassinated him in the street. The acknowledged appropriate response of the Federal Government was endorsed by the vast, vast majority of Americans. These 'folks' you eradicate like tghe Anopheles mosquito. You cannot have a society in which these things are allowed to occur. If someone who was a Separatiste fired missles from NY State into Montreal, believe me, the Feds would pounce on them like a cat and stop that immediately. By whatever force necessary. And no one with half a brain would complain.

Although, I don't doubt that the American military would be quite so careful in Montreal given their past regard for civilians.

Why hasn't the Israeli people stopped their government from assasinations, bulldozing of houses, and killing civilians?

If someone in Washington D.C. invaded another country and massacred it's citizens, and the American people didn't rise up and remove the criminals who did it, does that it justifiable to murder them?

Hezbullah are murderous thugs. So, are the Israeli and American governments.

As usual, the civilians take the brunt of their criminality.

Why do people tink that we're moving towards some utopia where only nice people will be surviving when all is said and done? Someone wrote years ago that if James Baker had been born in the USSR, he would be in the Kremlin, not in a Gulag Solzhenitsyn was.

People who rule are generally iffy at best...

they destroy entire apartment buildings to get one guy.

They murdered an Oakland school official one evening, kidnapped Hearst, robbed a bank and sporting goods store. Never kidnapped and assassinated a judge in the street.

.....Israel do about missiles being fired into their cities??

There are only two choices here as I see it. Number 1: Both sides continue trying to destroy each other as they are currently trying and successfully managing to do.

OR

The world steps in and forces all sides to stop their violence and live with each other, whether you think your neighbor has a right to exist or not. How would that get done? The UN put absolutely crippling economic sanctions on the first side that breaks the peace, and the world collectively supports those crippling sanctions. Those that control, protect, finance, arm, or in any way help those breaking the peace would also suffer crippling economic sanctions. Yes, up to and including ALL Arabs/Muslim nations and western nations.

There is a downside to this forced peace though. A collective forced peace might produce a "one world leader" which some would find very frightening.

the people on the beach were not firing missles. They were swimming

the sea" and voluntarily left their homes in 1948 just for that purpose, which is all so unfair, you see? And the Holocaust means that Israel is always right and can do anything to anyone else they want to. After all, all those countries "harbor terrorists." So everyone else who lives in those countries deserves to die for "harboring terrorists."

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It’s the way it’s always been. Everyone does it including the US and Israel. No one like to admit it but never the less that's the way it is. A war where one army only fights another and whoever wins that battle is victorious is a fairytale.

Civilians always suffer the most in any war.

One of those brave new world things that emerged with the UN after WWII and that conflicts bombardment of cities. Remember the Blitz on London? Dresden? Hiroshima?

That of course isn't to say that civilians do not suffer. They obviously do. Always. It's just that using them as primary targets is now a war crime.

Based on available reports, in the current round, both sides seem to be guilty. To me it doesn't make sense to talk about one side being absolved because the other side is "more" guilty or "started it," or that it is excused altogether because "both sides did it."

i get so tired the excuses for killing civilians. "the other side is worse" "they started it" "everyone is doing it". sounds like a couple of kids caught by the teacher throwing rocks at each other.

it is wrong for all sides to fire in to civilian areas. i don't care if it is in response or "pre-emptive". meeting force with force just escalates things and doesn't solve one damn thing.

And I'm not going to let my profound dislike for this administration blind me to the fact that Iran wants to be a hegemonic power in that area.

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The poster in no way says anthing of the kind. Just as people should be able to condemn bad acts by Israel without an explicit disclaimer that H'zbollah is also doing bad things, so should this poster be able to condemn H'zbollah without the addendum that Israel is also bad, or Israel is much worse, or whatever. And you're intimation that the author is subscribing to Israel dropping bombs on cities is unjust. The author may feel that way or he/she may not. We can't know that.

Thank you.


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only Hezbollah does that.

is UNCOOL, very UNCOOL.

Tell him what he's won Bob!

As far as I can tell, the missiles are Hezbollah's response to Israel's over-reaction. Of course the MSM and the Bush cabal is now trying to rewrite history by implying that Hezbollah launched the missiles first and Israel is simply responding in self defense.

entitled to your own facts. H'zbollah has thousand of katyusha's and they've been firing into Israel for years and years. It seems that you too are rewriting history. Israel's response to H'zbollah is indefensible, but there's no doubt that H'zbollah's actions were a provocation, and they didn't just capture two soldiers on Israeli territory, they killed three or four, and they had absolutely been firing missiles.

Hezbollah was formed as a reaction to the IDF occupying southern Lebanon up until 2000. The truth of the matter is, the overwhelming aggressor in the middle east is Israel.

Bombing an entire nation for the act of a few is uncool.

Hezzbollah has been terrorizing Israel for years- firing rockets at their northern cities, with no fanfare or indignation from the rest of the world. The Lebanese government has not had the will nor desire to 'disarm' or reign in these militants who having been picking off random Israeli men, women and children for years who have the misfortune of living within Hezzbollah's striking distance. Now, the bastards burrow under Israeli borders and kidnap it's soldiers? If that is not a declaration of war, what is? The Lebanese gov't is a passive partner in Hezzbollah's aggression, because they have done NOTHING to stop their activities.

War IS hell.

Let's see what all those wagging their fingers and crying "Shame, shame on you Israel!" would do if Native American activists started lobbing missiles at our northern cities from the safety of Canada, with the cooperation of the Canadian government. Remember, all of us are living on lands seized from Native Americans by war or broken treaties. Are these hypocrites who condemn Israel ready to surrender their deeds and property to the descendants of those (largely impoverished) Native Americans living on them before? It's easy to wag one's finger from a comfy sofa in a dwelling that exists by virtue of it's theft from Native Americans that came before us. Pack up your crap and sign over your deeds, and then let's talk.

There is so little balance in the views here at DU. The aim of Isael is to eliminate Hezzbollah on it's northern border, or perhaps entirely-- their tactic is to reign hell on Lebanon and pressure the Lebanese gov't to do something. It's not about 2 soldiers anymore, obviously.

Whether or not one might agree with Israel's tactics- that worthy of debate. Maybe I do and maybe I don't. But so few here at DU will acknowledge that Israel faces a legitimate threat from Hezzbollah. Whether they admit it or not, there is a strong underlaying sentiment here that Israel be destroyed. That's my view.

miss the point of healthy criticism. Tit for tat is never squared and injustices never solved and peace never brought.